Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Singapore, 2011

Furious Massa hits out at Hamilton after crash

2011 Singapore Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Singapore, 2011
Felipe Massa, Ferrari, Singapore, 2011

Felipe Massa said Lewis Hamilton “could have caused a big accident” in their collision during the Singapore Grand Prix.

The Ferrari driver referred to their run-in during qualifying yesterday, saying: “My thoughts is that again, I told you yesterday, he cannot use his mind. Even in qualifying, so you can imagine in the race.

“So, again, you know, what he did could have caused a big accident. And he’s paying for it, that the problem, he doesn’t understand, even paying for a problem, you know?

“Anyway, the problem was that I was in the middle so I had a puncture in my tyre and I pay a lot. I was not even lucky on the safety car because I’d stopped for the super softs in that moment to gain lap time.

“But them after five laps, six laps, the safety car came inside, and I had the wrong tyres to finish the race. So I was not very lucky as well with the strategy.

“And also, again, something happened with a guy who did how many times something with me this year? So many times.

“As I said it’s important the FIA is looking and penalising him all the time he is going in the car because he cannot think about it.”

Massa confronted Hamilton while the McLaren driver was conducting a television interview after the race.

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  1. Hamilton did lock He`s front tyre just before turning in but I think Massa was trying to be clever with a slow through the apex trick allowing Him the choice of when they would put the hammer down for the next straight, it was a racing incedent and nothing else.
    Massa is just angry because He knows He`s racing days at Ferrari are over, and as for taking risky overtakes Fuji 07 springs to mind.

  2. hamilton haters out in force as expected …after all he misjudged his turn in by about an inch or so

    of course schu driving into the back of perez and causing a much more severe accident only merited a reprimand , and he got away with his illegal defensive driving against hamilton in the previous race

    1. An inch is a huge margin in F1 and in many forms of motorsport.

    2. Besides, Massa probably braked a little earlier to box Hamilton in. That’s what any driver would do. Although this time Hamilton had nowhere to go and it backfired on Massa.

  3. I was the biggest Ham fan. I am now very tired of him as a driver and a person. IMO he is massively distracted in a ultra-competitive environment where other top drivers don’t lose focus like he has over the past 2 years, so he needs:

    – ditch the gf or at least put her in the background
    – drop the earings
    – get a proper manager, not a pop music expert
    – stop going to night clubs
    – stop being seen with celebrity stars and useless rappers etc…

    Then he’ll be back to his 07/08 form very easily. In the meantime he has become almost as arrogant as Senna.

    When you have the talent, it’s all about the focus and the mental approach. Atm, he is being ridiculed by his team mate.

    McLaren should drop him for Di Resta. Job done.

    1. At least get the year right if you’re going to criticise someone.

      Of course any driver can make mistakes, but they can only get the benefit of the doubt for so long.

      For example, there was little criticism of Webber after his crash with Massa at Monza.

      1. I got the year right.

        1. Sorry I meant to say that to the person above who cited Fuji 2007.

          1. No worries.

    2. hamilton is becoming the Kournikova of F1. more of a marketing product than a pure sportsman. the style, the girlfriend, the family soap opera, the various stories outside the track, his childish changing mood, etc…
      he is really impressive during the races, but he still acts like a rookie, a spoiled child.
      his radio message was frankly unacceptable for someone at his level (something like “what is the point ot carry on?”)
      he even says he is not happy if mclaren doesn’t give him a winning car…for someone who arrived in F1 on a red carpet, it is a shame

      1. Kournikova of F1

        LOL + 1000

  4. Massa may well need to get a grip but it was Lewis’s fault 100% and Eddie Jordan trying to make out Lewis didn’t deserve a penalty was just embarrassing.

    1. Eddie Jordan asking Martin Whitmarsh if he puts his arms around Lewis and tells him that he cherishes him while Martin Brundle stood there looking like he was choking on something was A+ comedy gold, though.

  5. Not classy at all from Massa. But then from his point of view, Hamilton has put his life in danger over and over again this year. I wonder how much of that we could take before making some snarky comments.

    1. I don’t buy that at all. This was a low speed racing incident and Massa was never in any real danger, unlike Schumacher’s shunt later on. It’s hyperbole, and clearly Massa needs to take his frustration out somewhere, and this weekend he chose Lewis. He has some justification for that, but the incident he’s using doesn’t back him up at all.

      And if Lewis needs to take more care about where he puts his car, I think Massa needs to start paying attention to the cars around him, and what they’re doing on track. More than once this year, and last year, he’s been involved in incidents where another driver has come out and said “he just turned in on me” or “he didn’t leave me any room” or “he just didn’t see me”. Too many for them to be all the other driver’s fault.

      Think back to Monaco earlier this year, another incident with Lewis. Yes, Lewis made a dumb move that probably wasn’t going to pay off. But Schumacher and Lewis at the same corner earlier on in the race had enough capacity to not only attempt something at that corner, in traffic, but be aware of where the other car was and leave space. Massa fails far too often at that, in my book. Either he feels he doesn’t have to give space to the other driver (possibly because he feels the need to stamp some form of control on the racetrack, as he’s not allowed to do it within the team), or he just doesn’t seem to be aware of where another driver is, was, or might be going.

      Equally, he might be annoyed at Hamilton barging past him in qualifying to get some clear air. But it’s not the first time that Massa would be guilty of dawdling along at a snail’s pace on the racing line during a qualifying session, or holding up other drivers. I don’t blame Lewis for wanting to get him out of the way.

      Bias disclaimer (for the fanbois):
      I like the McLaren team.
      I dislike the Ferrari team.
      I like Massa.
      I dislike Lewis.

      Hopefully those contradictions will either fuse your brains, or help you understand that just because I have come to view things differently to you, does not mean that you are correct, and I am biased and wrong.

      1. I am aware that this was not (in the grand scheme of things) a particularly dangerous accident. I am just trying to be understanding of a young man at the edge of his temper.

        To us on our sofas these look like run-of-the-mill incidents, but to sit inside a car and be hit at over a hundred miles an hour must be terrifying. You brought up Monaco, when Massa was put into the tunnel wall. How could he not be traumatised by that?

        All this will have played on his mind throughout the last hour of the race. Again, I think Massa reacted badly. But I can still show some sympathy for him after what must have been a very trying day. These guys have a really tough job.

      2. More than once this year, and last year, he’s been involved in incidents where another driver has come out and said “he just turned in on me” or “he didn’t leave me any room” or “he just didn’t see me”. Too many for them to be all the other driver’s fault.

        Coincidentally, this another driver always happens to be just one person

        1. No, Webber, to name one off the top of my head, has made comments along the same lines about Massa’s driving.

          And either way, as the saying goes “It can’t always be the other guy’s fault.” If Massa finds himself constantly getting hit by drivers he can’t see or hasn’t made room for, then he’s partly to blame.

          1. Coulthard was probably the most outspoken about his “love” for Massa’s driving:
            Youtube: David Coulthard Swears About Massa

      3. I agree with that Hairs.

  6. Lewis shouldn’t have drama with Massa but Montoya then the Pop Corn is on

  7. In my eyes, Lewis is no longer a good driver. He is quick, but so are many drivers. He just lacks so many necessary talents or controls. He is far from the real deal.

    Even when he won the WDC, he did it against the easiest opponent (Massa). Some might argue that Massa was better then than he is now, but thats just an excuse to try give Lewis’s championship win some value.

    When you compile all of Lewis’s pro’s and Cons, you cant help but think he is no were near Alonso or Vettel.

    1. Hamilton was a very very lucky champion. his brazilian race was a disaster when he should have made it a easy one. only a mistake from someone else gave him the title.

      1. Nonsense – if you claim he won the championship against just Massa, what about the rest of the field? Was it just those two that started the 2008 season? He won it against some 19 or so other competitors. Lucky? Don’t think so…

      2. I agree Hamilton was very very lucky. How he won against Ferrari and FIA simultaneously still amazes me.

    2. What about in 2007 when he bet Alonso in the same car?

      1. He tied with Alonso on points in a team that was 100% backing Lewis run by a principle who was personally invested in Lewis.

        You do the math.

        1. Anthony Hamilton will give you a different version of the race as Lewis was in second at Monaco chasing first ;-)

          1. in an interview in a french magazine, Jo Ramirez who was close to mclaren for many years, admitted that mclaren wasn’t backing Alonso as they were behind hamilton. clearly, hamilton was the favourite

          2. Hmm, a rookie was given preferential treament over a 2 times WDC, who was told to hang tight behind Alonso while Anthony was going mental in the Mclaren garage knowing Lewis was in for the win. combine that with Alonso`s driving Lewis off the track at Spa……….but I digrest.

          3. Hamilton was a brilliant rookie and was fully backed up by Dennis since he was a kid. to be combined with the fact that alonso on the other hand was probably expecting to receive a better treatment considering his 2 WDC.

          4. Before the season started De La Rosa was telling about how the next McLaren was designed for Alonso. They were full out on making Alonso the champion.

            How on earth could they expect a rookie to become the champion?

            In fact they GAVE Alonso the win in Monaco 2007. The stewards investigated the way they let Alonso win, but didn’t penalise the team. If you read the verdict it’s 100% clear that Hamilton would have won that race if the team hadn’t held him back during qualifying and twice (!) during the race.

            Obviously when Alonso started threatening the team when he couldn’t deal with hamilton being faster, that’s when they stopped backing Alonso. Hamilton just had a bigger chance of winning the title than Alonso had.

            Makes perfect sense that they back the better driver more than the no 2. Alonso thinks this is perfectly normal when he’s the better driver in the team, why not the other way around?

        2. Ah, you are Spanish?

  8. Some people have mentioned that the impact of Alonso have affected Massa’s reactions, but perhaps it would be more pertinent to consider the impact of Button on Hamilton’s driving?

    1. To a point. Button has been mostly error-free and consistently improving in line with the McLaren, maybe, but it’s not as though he’s changed much from last year. The accumulative effect may have had a toll, though, exposing Hamilton’s errors and incident-filled races all the more.

      I just get the impression the Hamilton-McLaren relationship is on very thin ice just now and has been since earlier on in the season. Had there been elsewhere ‘equivalent’ for him to go (Ferrari, RBR) he’d have gone. Button meanwhile looks very well embedded at McLaren (you never know though, at least the idea of him going to Ferrari to join Alonso sounds possible). Reckoning time for Hamilton. He can’t really afford the same kind of season next year, but he may very well have the same performance gap to the Red Bull in 2012. So will he adapt?

  9. Hamilton fans will says Massa needs to get a grip, Hamilton haters will agree with Massa completely.

    Which means whatever point I was going to make completely arbritrary and pretty ointless.

  10. Hamilton fans will says Massa needs to get a grip, Hamilton haters will agree with Massa completely.

    Which means whatever point I was going to make completely arbitrary and pretty pointless.

    1. You should make it none-the-less… your comments are as valid as anyone else’s, including mine :-)

      1. Ok. But I’ll make my point through some else’s words…

        you don’t need to break down the incident in that detail to see why it was Hamilton’s fault and why he got a penalty. He was behind, Massa was ahead, and Hamilton ran into him. There’s nothing more to it than that.

        …and Massa, an emotional guy, was frustrated post race. I really can’t see what else anyone has to add other than this.

  11. As much as I like to see lewis battling to move up the field, and I can sort of see what he was planning to do (I think); I feel he sometimes gets too caught up in the moment.
    Was there really such a rush to pass Massa?

    Sure, Massa was on the back-foot, but someone of lewis’ capability must know they can get passed within the next lap or so.

  12. As a big Lewis fan, yes he drives very, very stupidly sometimes but I don’t think he’ll ever put anybody’s life in danger. Lewis wass to blame here, and he got a drive through penalty for it. Chapter closed as far as I was concerned. This was the long race and Massa’s obviously frustrated. And after having so many incidents with Lewis he’s bound to be angry. Who knows, other drivers might’ve said or done more. He made his point by interrupting during the interview. Lewis didn’t take the bait, that shows he has some brain.

    One more point. They say Senna matured during the 1992 season. Give the guy some more time and hopefully a decreasing amount of crashes. He’ll get better! :D

  13. Massa should shut up and think about himself. After the penalty Lewis was behind Massa and he finished way ahead. And the penalty was just ridiculous. From the footage in TV, I believe that Massa slid a bit into the turn, was too slow and because of that Lewis hit him. Constant slamming, criticism and penalties would help no one and I can understand that his season goes from bad to worse. Especially after most of the penalties were too harsh. Lewis is still one of the best, he can overtake like no other and is very good in the wet. Vettel’s only ability is to drive away and no fighting, that unfortunately winning his championship. From my point of view, I agree with Nick. Lewis needs to finish this year, then find his inner peace and get a good car to fight for the title in 2012.

    1. Button also finished 54 seconds ahead of Alonso even with the mid-race SC. Obviously the McLaren was a far superior car to the Ferrari in the race, hence it isn’t really a huge surprise that Hamilton cleared Massa. Furthermore, Massa was caught out by the timing of the SC as he said in the interview in relation to his tyre strategy.

  14. Stephen Higgins
    25th September 2011, 18:30

    Massa is still bitter about losing the title 2008 and cannot bring himself to admit he has been blown away by Alonso.

    He had to look of a man resinged to losing his seat, possibly sooner rather than later, and to be honest he has never been the same driver since his accident.

    Sad to see.

    1. How on Earth does that apply in this situation?

      He had a puncture as a result of another drivers actions.

      You’re basically saying that Massa shouldn’t complain because it’s not like he had a chance at decent points anyway.

      1. He had a puncture as a result of another drivers actions.

        Also he could not overtake because of the puncture as a result of another drivers actions.

    2. That’s ridiculous, as he has no reason to be bitter to Hamilton over 2008.

      The only people he can be bitter about, completely justifiably, are Briatore, Symonds and Piquet.

  15. Malassas is just a joke now. The reason he had Hamilton climbing on the back of him is because he is slow. The reason why Hamilton passed him, after Hamilton was dropped to 20th is because Massa is slow. Massa finished behind Hamilton, who finished 11 seconds behind Alonso, because Massa is slow. His lame tantrum does not gainsay the stopwatch and the results. If Ferrari were not a team that prefered to have one driver act as a footstool for the other, he would be out of the sport as of the end of this season.

    1. Amen to that DaveW… COTD

    2. So since Button beat Alonso by 54 seconds, does that make Fernando a joke and slow?

  16. A deserved penalty for Hamilton, a justifiable response from Massa and a sensible reaction from Hamilton.

    I don’t know what’s worse, Hamilton getting in bother or people going to extreme lengths to justify his actions, regardless of the outcome.

    1. Massa is lucky he didn’t get a foot in the face, and it’s testament to Hamilton’s self control that it didn’t come to that. Massa think’s he’s smart, but he’s not. He’s slow. End of story.

      1. …yet again, Massa’s speed, or lack of, has nothing to do with this situation and in no way should it be factored in.

        1. I disagree, it has everything to do with the situation! Need I point out that this incident happened in a ‘race’, and need I point out where Massa finished the ‘race’? ‘Races’ are everything to do with speed! I’d have thought you’d have gathered this already…

          Massa’s subsequent behaviour was unprofessional, childish and provocative, and that’s to top and bottom of the situation.

  17. Hey, if you’re annoyed at all at Massa’s antics and words this weekend just remember Brazil 2008 :D

  18. In my view, this incident was EXACTLY the same as Webber and Hamilton at the same corner last year. Then, Hamilton was put out of the race, let alone given the puncture, yet it was deemed a racing incident. Now where is the consistency in that?

    I dont mind if hamilton did deserve the penalty, but if he did then surely Mark should have had one last year?

    1. this incident was EXACTLY the same as Webber and Hamilton at the same corner last year

      No they weren’t, they were completely different.

      Last year Hamilton and Webber were side-by-side in a corner and made contact. Racing incident.

      This year Hamilton was behind Massa and turned into his rear wheel causing contact. Clear penalty.

      1. I agree it was a very different incident and last years was far more complex. However this type f incident happens pretty much every race and only a few get punished. Schumacher spun someone out recently in a similar move(I think at monza) but was not penalised. Yet someone else (I think Sutil) did get penalised at the same race a bit earlier for the same sort of thing.

        I am getting a bit annoyed at the inconsistency in the rule enforcements, at some corners you are allowed to go off the circuit but at others you get penalised, some crashes go unpunished where other identical ones are punished. Some moves are great passes where identical ones where an opponent turns in early etc are punished! I do talk to some casual fans that are baffled by all of this and it puts them off a bit. Just like the offside rule in football baffles and puts off casual football fans.

        They also seem to use some rules to punish people (Going off circuit) for other incidents……

        1. this type f incident happens pretty much every race and only a few get punished. Schumacher spun someone out recently in a similar move(I think at monza) but was not penalised. Yet someone else (I think Sutil) did get penalised at the same race a bit earlier for the same sort of thing.

          I am getting a bit annoyed at the inconsistency in the rule enforcements

          Until you can come up with some solid examples I can’t agree with your claim of “inconsistency”.

          1. Those are solid examples.They definitely occured but I am just unsure of the other driver that was punished (pretty certain it was a force india though)
            Well if someone can help me out here with which race the force india got punished and Schumacher did not?

            I am sure it was the last race but I might be wrong. It was replayed on the TV a few times but I have deleted the last races due to Hard drive space.

            However you must agree that this type of incident is very common and I can’t recall all of them being punished. In fact I can’t recall many being punished. To me it is a racing incident and it was simply unfortunate that massas tyre was punctured.

          2. Those are solid examples

            No they aren’t. Who is Schumacher supposed to have hit at Monza (maybe)? At which unnamed track did Sutil possibly hit some unidentified driver?

  19. I think Massa has every right to be angry, After all he was running 5th & Lewis clipping him hurt his chances of a strong result.

    Fact of the matter is Lewis screwed up, He made a mistake which not only cost himself time but also comprimised another drivers race, In my view the penalty was completely justified.

    I know others pointed out to Schumacher running over Perez & Rosberg making contact with Perez without penalty’s however I see them as different deals.
    Rosberg hitting Perez didn’t really harm Perez’s race is any way & neither did Schumacher running over him.

    In my mind the fact that Hamilton directly affected Massa’s race made the incident more worthy of a penalty. Had he just took off his own front wing & done no damage to Massa’s race I’d say there should be no penalty.

    Final point on the stewards.
    I know a lot of Hamilton fans believe there is often some grand conspiracy where Lewis gets penalty’s while others don’t.
    However to believe that you have to believe that all of the steward’s (2 totally different stewards each race) are biased against Lewis & that every driver steward is also biased against Lewis & I find that very hard to believe.

    Incidently the FIA have bio’s for race stewards each weekend on there site:

  20. I don’t know why you make it such a big deal of it.
    In my opinion Massa’s act is completely understandble.
    I consider it as an “emotional outburst”.
    I mean, he hasn’t pulled off a good result so far this year,clearly his luck has been bad throught this season and he has had too many incidents with Hamilton.
    And one more thing,when Massa touched Hamilton in the interview paddock Hamilton responded to him “Don’t ever touch me again.”
    Something else to consider.

    (Apologise my english.)

    1. I agree with you, but I think I’ve got some kind of culture clash going on here – I don’t understand, for example, why people get worked up if a driver waves his hand or shakes his fist while driving past another. But I guess this is a super big deal?

      Adam Cooper reports the chain of events as, Felipe tried to say something to Lewis as they got out of the car, and Lewis walked away from him. Felipe pats/slaps Lewis on the shoulder and says, Good job, mate, and gives him a thumbs up, and walks away. Lewis turns after him and says, Don’t touch me. All of these things, from Lewis walking away after the race to Lewis telling Felipe not to touch him, are just fine in my book? They’re irritated, they’re wrung out, it’s good it’ll be a week or so before they see each other again.

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