Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

2011 Indian Grand Prix

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Buddh International Circuit, 2011

Lewis Hamilton and Sergio Perez have been handed grid penalties for the Indian Grand Prix.

Both drivers will be relegated three places on the grid for Sunday’s race.

The stewards judged both had failed to slow sufficiently when passing double waved yellow flags at the end of the first practice session.

The explanation for the two drivers’ penalties differed slightly. The stewards said Perez, “ignored double waved yellow flags at turn 16 whilst a car was being recovered in close proximity to the track.”

Hamilton’s penalty was for, “ignoring double waved yellow flags at Turn 16 whilst marshalls were in close proximity to the track.”

Both were deemed to have broken appendix H, article 2.4.5.1(b) of the International Sporting Code. This says that under double waved yellow flags a driver must: “Reduce your speed significantly, do not overtake, and be prepared to change direction or stop. There is a hazard wholly or partly blocking the track and/or marshals working on or beside the track.”

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224 comments on Hamilton and Perez given grid penalties

  1. paolo (@paolo) said on 28th October 2011, 11:05

    Lewis agrees with the penalty, as does the team. He used DRS in a yellow flag zone and set a fastest lap time. The rules are there for a reason, ie safety of Marshalls, and hence the penalty is correct.

    Sorry but thats the way it is.

    • mcmclaren said on 28th October 2011, 13:15

      half way through the season I would have agreed with you

      Lewis and Mclaren are now too wise to disgree with the stewards

      so that counts for nothing

  2. bearforce1 (@bearforce1) said on 28th October 2011, 12:24

    Lewis is DOTW this weekend for sure.

  3. Keamo said on 28th October 2011, 12:47

    I think the rules are stupid. Getting a 3 grid penalty on race for something that happened on friday seems grossly unfair. . They are just ruining the sport.

    • Dizzy said on 28th October 2011, 13:33

      So drivers should be allowed to break rules on Friday without penalty?

      Ignoring double waved yellows is one of the more serious things you can do as double waved yellows specifically means that marshall’s are over the barriers or on the circuit.

      Ignoring double waved yellows unnecisarily puts marshall’s life’s in danger. Pastor Maldonardo ignored double waved yellows in practice at Monaco in the renault world series one year & ended up hitting a marshall. Believe he got banned from racing at Monaco for a year as a result.

      Jaques Villeneuve was excluded from the 1997 japanese gp as a result of ignoring yellows & several drivers suffered grid penaltys for the same thing at suzuka in 2009.

      hamilton & perez ignored the double waved yellows, broke the regulations & thus got the specified penalty. penaltys for both is completely fair.

      • “hamilton & perez ignored the double waved yellows, broke the regulations & thus got the specified penalty. penaltys for both is completely fair.”

        Pretty sure they didn’t ignore the yellows, just didn’t slow down _enough_.

        Setting the fastest time half way through first practice is hardly solid proof, though. I’m sure, or, i hope, the stewards looked at telemetry to find out they were going too quick rather than just basing it on them setting PB’s.

        • “slow down enough…”

          Erm, Lewis did set his fastest lap on that one. No way out of that one really. You do the crime, you do the time!

  4. pSynrg (@psynrg) said on 28th October 2011, 12:54

    Why on earth is everyone getting so worked up? If anything should be debated its the fact hat this is probably the most clear cut penalty of the season.

    Apart from a speeding ticket in the pit lane I can’t see how this one could be more clear? Double waved yellows and a best sector/best lap time? Regardless of circumstances, penalty…

  5. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 28th October 2011, 13:07

    Reading this made me cringe for two reasons. The first reason being how much stick the stewards would get for it! Secondly, how much people would jump to defend Hamilton.

    Fair enough, people support certain drivers and of course there will be an element of bias, but come on people, surely you want your driver to play by the rules?! Where’s the charm in an unfair advantage?

    Sounds like a fair enough penalty to me.

    Makes predicting pole a hell of a lot easier too.

  6. guido (@guidof1) said on 28th October 2011, 13:41

    what is the max speed you can do under double yellow flags?? is there any??? or is it just somebody, maybe the marshall himself, that says.. “wow thats fast, thats fast, wwooo hang on, that is just too fast, you scared the life out of me there…
    i do agree that safety should always be put first, and the penalty is right, but maybe people get the feeling there is something weird about this because there are no actual facts. who is it that judges lewis and perez didnt slow down SUFFICIENTLY??

    • guido (@guidof1) said on 28th October 2011, 13:52

      forget my comments. i got the 2 hamilton laps messed up. he set a faster time. i am sorry. watched it again. my mistake

      • Setting a PB is not in itself proof though, since previous times could have been notably slower, if he was doind race-runs for example. I don’t know. But people need to stop saying ‘he set a faster time so yes punishment is correct’

        If we remember, Button set a faster time than previous laps in a race where there was yellows, and he didnt get punished on the grounds that he was lighter on fuel, therefore going quicker than before, but showed that he slowed down ‘sufficiently’

        So i can only presume Hamilton didnt slow down at all. In which case you can only presume he either didnt see double yellows, or was flat out given green flags but dosnt wanna argue over it, knowing how that usually turns out.

        • Similarly, Hamilton and Webber talked themselves out of a penalty in Barcelona, where it seemed they had set fast times under yellow. There seems to be a certain amount of discretion and subjectivity to these penalties, probably stemming from the effect of DRS and the new style tires on lap time variation.

          In the end, 3 places seems like an weak slap on the wrist for what is ostensibly a foul of creating danger to marshalls. You get more slots for changing your gear ratios. One can only assume that under the facts here the crime fit the penalty.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2011, 14:58

      who is it that judges lewis and perez didnt slow down sufficiently?

      The stewards.

  7. I am a huge Hamilton fan even to a fault but ignoring yellow flags shouldn’t go unpunished. having said that, something definitely doesn’t add up. Why would he ignore the flags in P1 when he clearly has nothing to gain. Miscommunication between him and then team?

    That’s my bet with my wife gone down the pan.. now i have pay for an expensive meal because Hamiton’s chances of beating Button is slipping away :-(

  8. This will hand RBR the record for most pole positions in a season.

  9. Wooolfy said on 28th October 2011, 14:51

    It appears as though most ppl here weren’t following the session or never even watched it based on their comments. At the time of the incident several corners were yellow and also the track status. All the drivers out at that time were obeying the rules. Lewis and Perez were also, but as the corners started to go green as they were cleared, a local yellow remained however, the track status became green. That I believe confused the teams to inform the drivers that the track was green hence causing the drivers to resume. I blame the teams and Lewis wouldn’t say it’s the team’s misleading that led to the penalty. It had nothing to do with the season or his attitude, just a mistake by the teams involved.

  10. Wooolfy said on 28th October 2011, 14:54

    Actually my Soft Pauer reported the Jenson had overtaken on the yellow but so far I haven’t heard anything on that.

  11. mcmclaren said on 28th October 2011, 15:15

    @keith-collantine I will take that as a ‘YES, I am going to ignore the contradicting flags/lights and how dangerous it is to have marshals on the track when race control are not aware of it’

    its a bit of a cheap shot to pick up on the gramatical error of the session being re-started, I thought someone of your caliber would understand I clearly ment the session had been given the green light and would be more than capable of presenting a argument based on fact not cheap shots

    so…do you really think lewis choose to ignore the flag…or do you think its probable he didn’t see them as they were not clear and the yellow dashboard light had been turned off in error?

    • Puffy (@puffy) said on 28th October 2011, 15:34

      I think you’ll find that @keithcollantine works.

    • The Edge (@the-edge) said on 28th October 2011, 15:40

      true

      breaking the rules is one thing

      not being aware of them due to poor marshalling is an entirely different matter all together

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2011, 15:42

      It’s not a contradiction, for reasons I explained.

      Nor was my other remark intended as a “shot” of any kind, merely getting the facts right.

      The facts are Hamilton went past a yellow flag and did not slow down. Whatever was going on with other lights does not excuse that because it says in the rules (as quoted in the article) that when you see double waved yellow flags you must slow down “significantly”.

      You accuse the stewards of having it in for Hamilton, yet you seem not in the least bit interested in Perez getting a penalty for the exact same thing. That’s because it’s not the stewards who are preoccupied with Hamilton – it’s you.

      • BBT (@bbt) said on 28th October 2011, 16:39

        Whatever was going on with other lights does not excuse that because it says in the rules (as quoted in the article) that when you see double waved yellow flags you must slow down “significantly”.

        It was a single yellow (re-put out late and even later the double, he might have already past it by then, not 100% clear from the angle). Not excusing him though… and they have accepted it, Hamilton and Mclaren.

        See comment further down.

      • mcmclaren said on 28th October 2011, 16:50

        but perez didn’t get a penalty for the same thing did he

        perez did his lap whilst the car was still on the track and the LIGHTS were still yellow. by the time lewis went by the lights were turned off

        if were getting personal I think your ignoring my point entierly, I have not even said lewis should not have a penalty, I am just trying to bring a little reason and logic into it and point out if what lewis did was dangerous the marshals are equally to blame but you are just ignoring this part of the argument for some strange reason

        if lewis was of the impression the session was running under double waved yellows he would not have done what he did, after all he has been accused of this before and proved through telemetry he had lifted. infact he had just drove around this very track under yellows for 10 mins and didn’t speed. this time he went flat out – therefore is it not right to assume or suspect or question whether he was aware of the situation or not

        if he was not aware of the situation…why was he not aware? had the lights on his dash been turned off as they were on the tv screen and the live timming screen as seen and said by the tv commentators?

        did the marshals leave the track then come back?

        did they radio the all clear to charlie? did they inform him they was going back on track?

        ALL i am saying is that there is more to this than meets the eye and it deserves some time exploring it

        as I said, race control not being aware of,failing to show yellow light is as big a safety concern as lewis driving past marshals flat out

        it appears from where I am that the stewards have ignored all this and chosen to give lewis a penalty, you would have thought they would have made some sort of reference to ithe light situation in their statement but they ddn’t – strange as it has already been broadcast over the tv just how controversial this decision was going to be and that could have cleared it up

        pre-occupied with lewis? rubbish…I just like to look at facts rather than jump in feet first with my personal opinion

        • mcmclaren said on 28th October 2011, 17:00

          what I should have said is..

          there should not have have been marshals on the track without the yellow lights being on…it very very dangerous as this incident proved

          had the lights been on lewis would not have done it

          the marshals screwed up just as much as lewis and that should be taken into considoration…after all its not as if the flag was next to the track was it…it was some way off

        • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th October 2011, 17:03

          but perez didn’t get a penalty for the same thing did he

          Both got penalties for ignoring double waved yellow flags. As mentioned in the article, there’s a slight difference in the description of the circumstances. But the infraction was the same.

  12. Bingi said on 28th October 2011, 15:27

    Relax, everyone. Lewis will win the grand prix on Sunday. Unless, of course, the Stewards find him for – what will it be this time, having a picture of a dead musician on his helmet, who knows?

  13. wasiF1 (@wasif1) said on 28th October 2011, 16:02

    I thought we will see a different Hamilton from Korean,hell no.I think the worst thing he did was he had his DRS wing open under yellow flag according to Steve Slater.

  14. RBAlonso (@rbalonso) said on 28th October 2011, 16:08

    In my opinion, if you break the rules, you break the rules. Especially if the safety of marshals is at risk.

    That said, I think that most peoples problem is that they think that all of Hamilton’s penalties have been done maliciously. No-one is saying that Hamilton did this, or any other penalty this season, deliberately. It was an accident which he takes responsibility for. Fair enough. I know, as an Alonso fan in Britain, that any penalty or argument against your favourite driver is taken very personally. But, at the same time, the plaudits for success are far greater. Hence “most complete driver”, “world’s fastest driver” as soon as either Alonso or Hamilton go on a run of 2 consecutive podiums! Take the rough with the smooth, I fancy Hamilton will qualify 4th and win on Sunday anyway.

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