Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t”

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Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Sepang, 2012In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton admits he should have scored more points so far this year.


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Lewis Hamilton stresses McLaren positives and knuckles down for China (The Guardian)

“I should have 50 points, but I don’t. Yeah, we would love to have 20 points more, but at least we’ve had consistency and we’re there in the fight.”

No extra security needed for Bahrain – motorsport chief (BBC)

Bahrain Motor Federation president Sheikh Abdullah bin Isa Al Khalifa: “All I can guarantee you is you will be as safe as at any other Grand Prix.”

Written answers to questions (UK Parliament)

Alistair Burt (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State): “This is not a decision for the British Government and we have not made representations to the Federation Internationale de l?Automobile (FIA) regarding a decision on whether to cancel, reschedule or re-locate the Bahraini Grand Prix. Similarly, we have not lobbied any other country to take a position on this matter or to make representation to the FIA. It remains entirely the decision of the FIA on whether to postpone or cancel any race. I have told the Bahraini authorities that if the race does take place, we expect it to do so under the right conditions.”

Formula One to raise $1bn in loan [refinancing] – source (Reuters)

“Formula One’s shareholders include CVC which owns 63.4 percent of the company, Lehman Brothers’ administrators with 15.3 percent, Chief Executive Officer Bernie Ecclestone with 5.3 percent and Ecclestone’s former wife Slavica’s Bambino Holdings with 8.5 percent.”

Statement regarding Formula One finances (F1)

“Formula One Group has launched a process to extend its current financing facilities. This will involve raising $2.27bn of new facilities with maturities in 2017/18, replacing the company?s existing $2.92bn facilities which are due to mature in 2013/14.”

Ferrari cash in on new deal with Ecclestone (The Independent)

“Ferrari are believed to have followed Fernando Alonso’s shock win in Sunday’s Malaysian Grand Prix by concluding a lucrative deal with the Formula One ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone, receiving significantly better payments under a new Concorde Agreement to which the majority of teams are said to have agreed over the race weekend.”

Vettel labelled a Red Bully by backmarker Karthikeyan (The Mirror)

“Some guys when lapping they just try and bully you so much, it?s not fair. They overtake and want you to go off the road and it?s not right.”

Domenicali: “We have to continue to play a counter-attacking game” (Ferrari)

“I well remember that, four years ago, in fact right after a Malaysian Grand Prix, which was won for us by Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe was more or less in the same situation as today. The papers were demanding his immediate replacement and he managed to react in the best way possible, thanks to support from the team, which saw him win two of the next three races.”

Young driver test could be in Britain (Autosport)

“One idea that has received some support is to try and shift the young driver test to take place at Silverstone immediately after the British GP. However not all teams are in favour because of the difficulty of sorting out drivers at that stage of the campaign.”

The beginning of a legend: Ayrton Senna’s breakthrough Formula One car set to sell for ??750,000 (Daily Mail)

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I hadn’t realise quite how few drivers had matched Alonso’s feat of winning at the same track with three different constructors until Paul Gilbert pointed it out:

Drivers to have won at the same venue for 3+ different teams:

Moss at Monza ?ǣ Maserati (1956), Vanwall (1957), Cooper (1959)
Fangio at Spa ?ǣ Alfa Romeo (1950), Maserati (1954), Mercedes (1955)
Fangio at Buenos Aires ?ǣ Maserati (1954, 1957), Mercedes (1955), Ferrari (1956)
Fangio at Nurburgring ?ǣ Mercedes (1954), Ferrari (1956), Maserati (1957)
Prost at Silverstone ?ǣ Renault (1983), McLaren (1985, 1989), Ferrari (1990), Williams (1993)
Alonso at Kuala Lumpur ?ǣ Renault (2005), McLaren (2007), Ferrari (2012)
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238 comments on Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t”

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  1. Theo said on 28th March 2012, 0:28

    No points for Saturday Hammy. Sorry.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th March 2012, 0:33

      Not a Hammy fan at all, but I’ll be fair and point out what he said:

      The main thing is I need to pick up my race pace.

      • damonsmedley (@damonsmedley) said on 28th March 2012, 2:54

        It’s funny how he said last year that Vettel was “gifted” the race wins and poles because he had the fastest car… The McLaren isn’t as dominant as the RB7 was, but it’s definitely the fastest car. I hope he doesn’t make himself look silly!

        • JCost (@jcost) said on 28th March 2012, 9:00

          “Ceteris paribus” Hamilton seems to be the best bet for WDC this year.

          • halifaxf1fan (@halifaxf1fan) said on 28th March 2012, 16:20

            This is ‘Monza 11′ spec Lewis just driving to finish the race and to collect half decent points. It is all he can do right now, he must stay out of trouble and finish the races so he be in a good position with his negotiations for his new contract with Whitmarsh.

        • Andy said on 28th March 2012, 9:43

          We can afterwards say that Red Bull did a very good job with the races last year; the combination having the fastest car and error free is what got Vettel so dominant back then. Hamilton is not having that same luxury: the car barely is faster then the rest, and in the races other teams seems to be the equal of the McLaren. Hamilton is still learning to extract the durability out of the tires and with such a small margin to the rest he is actually doing a fine job: being second only to Alonso who has a car which can’t compete with the McLaren in normal conditions.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 29th March 2012, 8:03

            I don’t agree, we have had one dry race, in which we saw the Mclaren be much faster than it’s closest qualifying rival (Merc), Last race was crazy, so discount that, and Melbourne is never a good indicator for the season.

            What I’m saying is, this is waaaay too early in the season to be having this conversation.

        • Platine (@) said on 28th March 2012, 21:08

          HAMs car doesn’t have the best race pace from what we’ve seen, though it may be quickest in quali.

      • Alexandre said on 28th March 2012, 15:38

        I think this shows how fantastic Vettel was last year, capitalising all he could.

        • Platine (@) said on 28th March 2012, 21:10

          The difference in pace between Vettel and the 2011 field, and Hamilton and the field is not remotely comparable.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th March 2012, 22:44

            Which is why Vettel was fantastic.

          • dkpioe said on 29th March 2012, 13:43

            i think its a fair comparison if hamilton himself says he ‘should’ have 50 .
            the mclaren is obviously the fastest car this year, so he ‘should’ have 50 points but he doesnt, because his teammate beat him in race 1, and then perez and alonso drove better then him in the wet in sepang, in inferior cars.
            with the car he has, he could well get 15 poles this year like vettel did last year, as he has the best car, and button usually qualifies lower then him. but his race pace doesnt ever correlelate to his qualifying pace, certainly not the way vettels does.
            if vettel was in the mclaren may well have 50 points by now.

    • UKFan (@) said on 28th March 2012, 3:27

      I just hate this headlines they make Hamilton sound cocky, when is tottally right if you qualify first you should win.

      • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 28th March 2012, 5:33

        If Hamilton drives half as well in China as he did last year he will surely add quite a few points to his tally. No need for any driver to be morose about the season just yet. The times are so close it may be one of those magical years where every dog can have his day, much like 1982.

        • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 28th March 2012, 8:23

          You know I was thinking much the same thing. We could end up having an ’82 style season at this rate because no one team is looking dominant and at least 5 teams look like they have got the pace to challenge on their day. It’s going to be great to watch….

          • TimG (@timg) said on 28th March 2012, 9:24

            I’m all for that, as long as an ’82-style season comes without the tragic deaths, career-ending injuries, industrial action by drivers, open warfare between the governing body and the teams’ association, drivers stabbing their team mates between the shoulders, and short-sighted and destructive technical solutions.

  2. F1Yankee (@f1yankee) said on 28th March 2012, 0:31

    i almost hope for some kind of disaster in bahrain to force a public reality check.

    • Aussie Fan said on 28th March 2012, 3:09

      +1 those comments reek of extreme arrogance, its time for him to put up or shutup I’m sick of hearing “oh the car” “oh the tyres” “oh the team” like some baby primadonna whom has a tanty when things don’t go his way.

      Look at Jenson post Malaysia, he had a TERRIBLE afternoon but he still managed to keep his chin up, say some nice things about the team & seemingly hit the mental reset button (no pun) & start looking forward to the next round.

      Hamilton seems to think he simply deserves a fast car & doesn’t seem to realize that over the course of a season he is an integral part to MAKING said car fast by means of feedback & input etc etc ……..

      I also think he doesn’t quite realise the MASSIVE contribution Button provides with his feedback & car development skills, whereby both Hamilton & Button can usually get good speed from the car but Button can also give the team direction as to how to develop the car etc whereas Hamilton just wants to get in it & drive the wheels off it, whilst relying on the team to make all his strategy & etc decisions in a race & therefore being able to blame them like a primadonna if things don’t work out quite perfectly for him. Bit of a cop out he needs to realise that he is part of the team too, so when the team makes the wrong call or a call that he doesn’t like, THAT TEAM INCLUDES HIMSELF!.

      • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 6:37

        Aussie Fan, what the heck are you talking about? First of all, F1Yankee was talking about “No extra security needed for Bahrain”. Your reply is just plain old Hamilton bashing, but you’re not competent even at that. Did you even read the article or are you just going by the headline? Hamilton just sums up his start of the season and admits that he need to improve his race pace. There’s nothing arrogant in his comments.

      • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th March 2012, 8:18

        It’s often said – including by me – that it’s a shame so many F1 drivers are media-trained to within an inch of their lives and churn out the same dull, corporate answers to any given question.

        Over-reactions like this show exactly why that happens.

        All Hamilton is saying is that he should have better results from the first two races of the season. As he’s started both races from pole position and finished third, that is hardly a controversial statement.

        Leaping from that to making claims like “Hamilton seems to think he simply deserves a fast car” is a massive exaggeration, which shows that some people will use any excuse to assume the worst about a driver they dislike.

      • Puffy (@puffy) said on 28th March 2012, 8:36

        My goodness. There are often allegations of bias thrown around here at the British fans, and while I’m certainly no Hamilton fan, the amount of mental gymnastics needed to interpret Hamilton’s statement in such a negative light is quite frankly bizarre. It’s pretty clear that he felt he should have done better in the races and that he knew he had a car that could have won from poll.

      • Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 28th March 2012, 9:48

        You’re ridiculous.

        Hamilton’s reaction is natural, it’s kind of a sportsman’s anger. If he was all rosy and happy, then racing would not be a proper profession for him. Compare it to Vettel’s stupid outburst post-Malaysia and you’ll see the difference, what’s right and understandable and what’s just plain wrong and stupid.

      • Dobin1000 (@dobin1000) said on 28th March 2012, 12:13

        You should be using your mind-reading powers for good, @Aussie fan!

      • Theoddkiwi said on 28th March 2012, 21:37

        Aussie, I’d like to know how you know that Lewis has no input into the team and the car? I have read this a number of times from different people but have never seen any evidence and to me is obvious just some random Hamilton hater bogus dreamed up to try to justify their hate for him… which i just dont understand.
        He has been racing since a very young age i am pretty sure he knows how to provide feedback and input into his race cars.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th March 2012, 6:43

      I think hoping for a disaster is a bit much @f1yankee, as it will still involve largely innocent people.

      But that statement is very much showing this regime is a troubled one. In their own statement they even include a blatant lie:

      Sheikh Abdullah bin Isa Al Khalifa told PA Sport: “We’ve never had any violence towards foreigners.

      How should we understand that when Bahraini state TV highlighted last year how these protesters attacked several immigrant workers and expats?

      To ship in a load of race fans, journalists and crew and think they will help unify anything sounds to me like using the race for the governments political purposes. And saying there were never any risks and won’t be any now, when we all saw what happened to last years GP2 race there (which has only small crowds and little media attending) with everyone having to be shipped out under guard, is just playing with fire.

      • Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 28th March 2012, 9:52

        Even if what the Sheikh is saying was entirely true, that just shows their attitude towards their own people. Violence towards foreigners – bad PR, ergo undesirable. Violence towards Bahrain’s people – everything’s all right mate!

      • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 28th March 2012, 20:27

        @bascb Not everyone involved is innocent, and while I don’t wish physical harm to come to anyone, I wonder if the race would go ahead if someone as high profile as Bernie were threatened or kidnapped. Or will Bernie even show up after he’s sent everyone else into a civil war zone?

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 28th March 2012, 20:47

          Good question actually @US_peter, I think Bernie might just fancy a chance of showing up in Bahrain.

          If only to tell those “stupid kids” to go protest somewhere else. I myself am too much wary of violence to wish for things to go bad, as it will get a lot of shia hurt in turn and might spiral out of control completely.
          The comments from Bernie and the Bahraini really seem to be all about belitteling the amount of trouble there is and I fear it will go wrong. I liked Buxton reminding of what it looked like last time he left Bahrain: http://t.co/pHdwRPfX

          • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 28th March 2012, 21:27

            @bascb I agree, that it would be sad if anything escalated to further violence. I think the best thing that could happen would be a peaceful protest that prevented the race from taking place and wasn’t met with brutal violence, such as a mass sit in. Obviously that’s a pipe dream though. If it does come to any protest, it’s pretty clear from past behavior that there will be violent repression. Bernie’s comments on the ongoing situation continue to be what they’ve always been, belittling, condescending, and disconnected from reality.

    • infy (@infy) said on 28th March 2012, 9:00

      Its sad that you’d hope terrorists attack an event just to prove a point.

    • dragon said on 28th March 2012, 10:26

      To Aussie Fan – please be quiet, you’re making the rest of us Aussie Fans look like fools.

    • Don Mateo (@don-mateo) said on 28th March 2012, 13:13

      I wouldn’t want to see a disaster per se, or see innocent people hurt, but I also hope there’s some kind of incident that mars the Bahrain GP and means that the likes of Bernie can’t carry on pretending there isn’t a problem, and properly holds the situation in Bahrain up to international scrutiny.

    • cpeterip said on 28th March 2012, 18:48

      Talk to some of the team insiders and you will learn that you talk a load of nonsense! In no way is Button a good developement driver -OR good with feedback- he is classed as average!

  3. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th March 2012, 0:33

    No he shouldn’t. Why should he? he wasn’t the best in Australia and he wasn’t the best in Malasia.

    • Well, because he has the fastest car — apparently it’s sort of this season’s RB7 — and had pole position in both races, he really ought to have been able to wave his magic wand and voila! Race won, without putting forth any effort whatsoever. He probably got that idea when he went reading F1 online forums one day and learned that’s all Vettel had to do last season to have all the success he had. Fastest car + pole position = leisurely walk to the checkered flag. So something is going wrong somewhere, and he needs to learn what it is!

      But seriously, folks. I don’t think he’s saying he should have won because he was the best, exactly — just that he had pole position, had a great car, is more motivated than ever, and yet wasn’t able to capitalize as well as he wanted, and he needs to find out why and correct it.

    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th March 2012, 1:17

      Because he was on pole, so should have followed through and won. He clearly wasn’t saying he was the best. You and the people below seem to be reading the most complicated meaning you can find from the basic thing he actually said.

      • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th March 2012, 1:48

        Fair enough. I still mantain my first thought, anyway. I’m just reading it simple too… he gets what he gets, so “should” (or “shouldn’t”) is a bit unrealistic for me.

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th March 2012, 1:57

          It’s ‘should’ in the sense of “I should have done better.” Like if somebody said they should have done better on a test, it doesn’t mean they think they were marked wrong, but they shouldn’t have screwed up. I’m just amazed at the number of people berating a man who said he should have done better.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 28th March 2012, 2:10

            @fer-no65 , I agree with @matt90 as LH said he needed to work on race pace.

          • Aussie Fan said on 28th March 2012, 3:13

            Well if that is the case then he SHOULDN’T have included a specific points tally for only two races, as that says he thinks he should have beaten everybody in both races, which isn’t just a general comment, its very specific & pointed.

            He easily could have said “I should have done better” but he said “I should have scored 50 points” & thus painted a big red target on his back for those comments.

            He knew EXACTLY what he was saying.

          • Tango (@tango) said on 28th March 2012, 8:27

            Aussi Fan, have you been dumped by Hamilton? Because you seem to fight awfully hard to make him look bad

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th March 2012, 9:39

            Phenomenal stuff. Truly phenomenal.

          • Julian said on 28th March 2012, 14:05

            He knew EXACTLY what he was saying.

            Im sure he also knew the media would twist his words and make a story grabbing headline out of it and then some fool like you would lap it up like a kitten drinking milk

            Take off your tin foil hat, read what he said again, and for the love of god please keep an open/objective mind this time.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th March 2012, 16:13

            Im sure he also knew the media would twist his words and make a story grabbing headline out of it and then some fool like you would lap it up like a kitten drinking milk

            What I don’t understand is that the media hasn’t even twisted his words.

        • Agreed!

      • HewisLamilton said on 28th March 2012, 17:09

        He was on pole for sure. But he was not the fastest car during the race either of the race weekends. I think he should be happy with what he got and not feel as if he should be sitting at 50 points. That said, I believe he is happy with his results and like any F1 champion he feels he could have done better.

    • UKFan (@) said on 28th March 2012, 3:31

      Last and in fact last 10 years the poll sitter was probably the fastest in the race and there were no overtakes and thats it only crashes or weather could change that Hamilton obviously knows that and feels that he could have emulated Vettels seasons this year because obviously Mclaren is the Red Bull this season.

      • MylesW (@mpw1985) said on 28th March 2012, 4:06

        @Aussie Fan
        You can’t be serious. The haters (of any driver) will literally go to any lengths to find something wrong with a driver’s performance or words. Please, excuse Hamilton for being “too specific” in his criticism of himself. I’ve seen some very debatable criticism of a driver’s remarks, but this….this takes it to a new level

        • suka (@suka) said on 28th March 2012, 18:58

          Guys, put it at rest.It’s not like he wasted a given WDC title or something. He just made a few remarks from the previous two races. Very ordinary statements.

  4. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 28th March 2012, 0:37

    I have to say I agree with Karthikeyan. As I was quoted recently, he has as much right to be on the grid as anyone else, and by extension the same right as Vettel. Therefore, while Karthikeyan should do his utmost to get out the way when being lapped, he does not have to compromise his own, equally important, race to do so. I’m sure Sebastien would love it if only the top 10 qualified, but the fact is that is not the case. Dealing with backmarkers is a fact of life in F1, and being unpleasant about the whole thing will only reflect badly on yourself. The way he reacted in Malaysia to what was a racing incident was nasty, rightly or wrongly showing him to be a poor sport.

    • UKFan (@) said on 28th March 2012, 3:34

      +3 the third finger of the hand.

    • Hatebreeder (@hatebreeder) said on 28th March 2012, 5:16

      Even if it was completely NKs fault, a professional sports personality like Vettel isnt expected to call NK a cucumber. There are more subtle ways of delivering the message. Vettel’s behavior just tells how much he respects other drivers on the grid.

    • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 6:03

      If NK was to stand in a line of 23 by the time he gets to the counter he would have hit half people. Yesterday he admitted to making a mistake and hitting Vettel’s car and today its about Vettel bullying him. For someone with little driving talent he sure makes up for it with his big mouth. Last year some drivers made mistakes and blamed it on other drivers and even got away with that. I don’t see why Vettel should not feel aggrieved, especially for the points he lost for no fault of his. Wonder if NK will feel bullied, if someone wanted to see his driving license. Maybe NK is still after candy, gettign bullied by everything that moves around him.

      • sozavele (@formula-1) said on 28th March 2012, 7:08

        @ridiculous Your name certainly does not agree with your feelings clearly. If Narain did hold the line and not move over it would be his fault but you can only do the maximum possible in some places which is not enough. If Seb had his way there would not be anbody on the grid who was not in a Red Bull. When he does not win he sulks about it Even if it is only HRT I don’t think you can say he has little talent, there are many drivers who have failed Formula 1, I would like to see you get into the car and try to do as well as he does, if he has a bad car there is only so much you can do with it.

        • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 8:13

          @formula-1 Blue Flag rule is to move from the racing line and let the leading car through, which NK didn’t do(No backmarker ever does) which I’m not going to argue because this guy can barely brake and turn at the same time. Telling him to move away from the racing line will decrease his driving skills by another 33%, if somethign like that existed. Seb as sulker has got nothing to do with NK’s poor driving skills which is poor. If you need to understand what sulking means you can also follow the quick crash course by onelapwonder.There is a video posted in the formus by raymondu(?) and let me know if it is still Seb’s fault for the umpteenth coming together of NK.
          Don’t get me wrong, 2005 I was following NK because he was beating a competent teammate in Tiego Montero at the beginning. Then his talent must have gone through a rapture or something, atleast Massa had an accident.
          If you had watched the video the pass was done and dusted, then NK with his overzealous braking goes on the kerbs, corrects the car and then hits Seb. When you make a pass you can only think about the space available and other factors needed to complete the pass. You don’t think ‘what if the other guy makes an mistake and slashes my tyre’? If Vettel was indeed bullying NK, he could have very well answered that Vettel ran him off the road and that made him loose the car and he crashed in Vettel. But the stories seem otherwise. Day 1 you say that you made a mistake and Day 2 you say that someone bullied you into that. Get your stories straight. This seeming to take cheap shots at Vettel seems to be the latest fad in this forum. Last year it was Vettel can only win from pole. 2010 Vettel can’t convert his poles. 2012 someone with 2 poles and no race wins, but nobody wants to comment on the pole to win ratio this year. I would love to see people’s reaction if in the championship decider race NK runs into Hamilton and claims the next day to have been bullied by Hamilton.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th March 2012, 8:31


            Blue Flag rule is to move from the racing line and let the leading car through,

            Actually the Sporting Regulations doesn’t say anything about yielding the racing line:

            20.5 As soon as a car is caught by another car which is about to lap it during the race the driver must allow the faster driver past at the first available opportunity. If the driver who has been caught does not allow the faster driver past, waved blue flags will be shown to indicate that he must allow the following driver to overtake.

            Karthikeyan wasn’t doing anything to prevent Vettel getting past, so I’m inclined to agree with those who say his penalty was too harsh.

          • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 9:28

            @Keithcollantine During the Hungarian GP DCoulthard explained about the lapped car getting out of the racing line, for which he blamed Kobayashi and costing a place to MarkWebber, which is why I said that. Agreed that NK didn’t hinder Vettel’s progress except by running into him. But why give out 2 conflicting stories in the space of 2 days if it’s not his fault

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th March 2012, 9:40

            @ridiculous I had a look at the International Sporting Code as well and couldn’t find anything in there that says a lapped driver must pull off the racing line.

          • SimBri (@f1addict) said on 28th March 2012, 10:29

            @ridiculous Narain’s bullying comments were from Sunday on the BBC F1 Forum – it’s not 2 different stories in 2 days. He wasn’t actually giving conflicting accounts if you watch the interview. He admitted he made a mistake which caused him to move away from the kerb. He also said that some drivers when passing under blue flags don’t leave any room and cut across too quickly (he doesn’t specifically link that comment to this incident). Worth watching the interview if you can to see a backmarker’s perspective.

            Seb has done a lot of damage to his image with his reaction to this incident. It’s terrible to be taken out by someone else’s mistake, but it happens in F1 and other drivers seem to be able to accept it. It’s not like it’s happened much to Seb, as far as I can remember he has been the perpetrator far more often than the victim of this kind of incident.

          • OOliver said on 28th March 2012, 10:55

            The blue flag rule has two meanings.
            One: A faster car is behind you.
            two: You are about to be lapped.(A faster car is behind you).

            It doesn’t say you should go off the racing line or drive into a sand dune.
            It means do your best not to hinder the faster drive, which might mean lifting slightly to prevent both cars vying for the same real estate in a braking zone.

            On Vettel’s actions,
            It is no surprise, that for a few races now, he hasn’t been able to do his finger thing. From a psychological point of view, one can understand his need to throw tantrums and have fits of anger.
            But should his inability to do his finger thing extend for a greater duration, then I am afraid he might be forced to drive his car while in a straight jacket.

          • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 12:28

            @f1addict Considering you remember Seb as the perpetrator for something that happened in 2010 conveniently forgetting every mistake by every other driver since then showcases too much sympathy for Seb

      • minnis (@minnis) said on 28th March 2012, 9:36


        Vettel is very clearly bullying Karthikeyen! Even if Karthikeyen WAS 100% at fault, Vettel still had no right to speak about Karthikeyen the way he did. Take for example Grosjean’s reaction to his incident with Schumacher: “I was careful and unfortunately I think it was Schumacher came to hit me and in Turn Four I spun.”
        Very different to “Schumacher is a cucumber, it seems there are idiots in F1 just like on the roads.”

        And I agree with Keith: Karthikeyen didn’t stop Vettel getting past. After Vettel thought he was past, he drifted left and NK drifted right slightly. Racing incident.

        Also, even with masses of money it still takes talent to get anywhere in motorsport. Sure, drivers like Hamilton, Vettel and so on have more talent and do not need sponsors to get a drive, but to imply that NK has no talent at all is laughable.

        • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 12:13

          So talking in a press conference after the race is over is Bullying? That’s new to track version NK is offering. Sure Grosejan can have a go at Schumacher, not going to cost him any points with the zero he already has. And it also cost Seb points and that too in the closing stages of a race, unlike a lap 5 crashout do-it-by-yourself style outing. If it was a racing incident there was no reason for NK to state anything about bullying. NK by himself is a walking joke, his talent? Less said about it better

    • Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 28th March 2012, 9:55

      +99 Blue flag doesn’t mean – pull over and praise my ego.

    • 1 of the 3 said on 28th March 2012, 18:52

      I think people are just happy to have an excuse to bash Vettel again (“Village Idiot” type stuff). I think his reaction is perfectly in keeping with what I’ve seen over the years from him. It also seems to me that some people want F1 drivers to be like Button, but Button is like the Stefan Edberg of racing.

      And finally, I don’t think this has done anything to Vettel’s image. On the contrary, Vettel’s reaction will get back markers moving out of the way not only for him but also for all the other top drivers for the rest of the year.

  5. AmirAnuar (@amiranuar) said on 28th March 2012, 0:40

    hope that shumacher and kimi to follow the feat of winning at the same time with three different constructors

  6. Lin1876 (@lin1876) said on 28th March 2012, 0:40

    On the Hamilton issue, I think he can be satisfied. He was on the podium in Malaysia and best of the rest behind Alonso and Perez, who in all likelihood will not challenge him for the title. He can also take comfort the only bad luck denied him 2nd in Australia, so while he should maybe have more points than he does, I don’t think he will be gutted about it.

  7. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 28th March 2012, 0:41

    I well remember that, four years ago, in fact right after a Malaysian Grand Prix, which was won for us by Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe was more or less in the same situation as today. The papers were demanding his immediate replacement and he managed to react in the best way possible, thanks to support from the team, which saw him win two of the next three races.

    The difference between then and now is that Massa was running second at Malasia, and then he retired. He was beaten by his team mate but not by much. Last saturday, he was 3 tenths slower than Alonso in Q1 even after trying with the softer compound.

    Yes the car is bad, but the difference between the two has been enormous for quite a while now. In 2008, he was being beaten by Kimi for quite a while too but not by much and he was able to match his speed most of the time.

    • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 7:25

      I agree 100%. Back in 2008 Massa actually won the qualifying session in Malaysia. I don’t see how Domenicali can honestly say that Felipe was more or less in the same situation.

      Some people feel sorry for Felipe, because his career spiraled down after the accident. He seems to be a really nice guy and I’m sorry for him too, especially when I see the permanent sad expression on his face. But if he leaves the sport, it certainly won’t be the end of the world for him. He’s still young, quite wealthy guy with a loving family and presumably some friends. He will be fine.

      • TimG (@timg) said on 28th March 2012, 9:35

        The cause of Massa’s retirement in Malaysia in 2008 was why he was under pressure then – he’d led the race from pole, lost out to Raikkonen in the pits and was in a solid second place when he spun into the gravel.

        You’re right that Massa hasn’t looked remotely capable of staying with Alonso so far in 2012 – but Domenicali isn’t there to give a frank assessment of his drivers in public, he’s there to get the best out of them. Massa is not the kind of driver who thrives in adversity and Domenicali is simply trying to protect him.

        Domenicali’s private views of Massa may be rather different, but we’re unlikely to hear those – at least not yet.

        • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 10:27

          I think this kind of “protection” doesn’t do Felipe any favors.

          • TimG (@timg) said on 28th March 2012, 10:46

            I think this kind of “protection” doesn’t do Felipe any favors.

            And condeming him in the media would? Domenicali isn’t saying Massa is currently doing just fine, he’s reminding people that Felipe has had runs of bad form before and recovered from them.

          • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 11:06

            @timg I think that letting him go would be an honest favor. His “run of bad form” lasts more than two seasons now, he’s stuck in this situation and clearly isn’t happy. Dragging this for yet another year will be bad for everyone.

            Honesty is the right way to go. Not pretending that everything is hunky-dory, but not condemning the driver either. Simple admission that Felipe never fully recovered after the injury and it’s time to part ways.

      • Snow Donkey said on 28th March 2012, 16:34

        His career might have recovered if he was allowed to race for the win in germany 2 years ago…

  8. Nick.UK (@) said on 28th March 2012, 0:42

    Umm, or not Lewis. At no point across the current two races have you shown race winning pace! You deserve the 30 points you have, no more, no less. End of!

    PS. I’m a big Hamilton fan too, and I’m still saying this!

    • Dorian said on 28th March 2012, 4:34

      Haha…..nicely said!

    • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 6:47

      He’s basically saying “I should have done better, I should have 50 points, but I wasn’t fast enough and I need to improve”. I wonder why so many people need a translation from English to English? Maybe reading the whole article and getting some context would help. There’s more to it than just the headline.

      • It’s just the assumption that if he had done a tiny bit better he could have beaten button and Alonso (and Perez), in my opinion totally undermining their great performances

        • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 8:29

          “Tiny bit better” is often all it takes among the top drivers, but he actually didn’t say that and he wasn’t undermining anyone. Ironically, it looks like it’s just your assumption.

    • Platanna (@xaviex) said on 28th March 2012, 7:12

      I’m a Ham fan too and I agree. He looked fairly ordinary in Australia and couldn’t find real speed in Malaysia, but the conditions there made it difficult for most drivers to get more speed than the others. I was quite suprised not to see Button flying through the back of the pack like Canada ’11. Makes me think the tyre compounds this year will even out a lot of drives, which will in turn mean more winners & podium finishers. But I could also be bonkers.

      • Tango (@tango) said on 28th March 2012, 8:42

        I think Hamilton had the speed. He was just as fast as Alonso, Webber et all (as Keith pointed out in fast lap analysis, he was with Perez one of the drivers to constantly lap quickly in the end, and when the track was really wet at the beginning, he was flying).. Obviously, he wasn’t head and shoulders above the rest, so there is a bit of disappointment. The field is so tight with good cars and great drivers, it’s amazing really.

      • OOliver said on 28th March 2012, 13:05

        Button actually tried flying from the back, lets be honest, without a safety car in the race, how was he ever going to get beyond 10th.

  9. dragon said on 28th March 2012, 0:44

    Good on Narain for standing up and hitting back. I suppose in his favour in the public eye, not many people are going to be on Seb’s side, even though technically NK did move over a little coming back on the track. But it was Vettel’s disgusting demeanour afterwards, and Horner’s over the top defence of his prize driver that was all too reminiscent of 2010. Just like two years ago, I’m supporting RBR for Webber.

    • Marco (@f1lipino) said on 28th March 2012, 5:19

      +1 I was really disappointed with Christian Horner. It was very awkward when he asked Coulthard to back him up too.

      • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 28th March 2012, 7:43

        Is it even more sad that by now, I’m not even disappointed by Horner any more @f1lipino? So often has he been not-answering questions, or just saying nonsense.

        But I am disappointed with Vettel, taking out his frustration at a less than stellar weekend on Narain.

    • Estesark (@estesark) said on 28th March 2012, 7:48

      Well put. I’m no great fan of the HRTs, but so long as they qualify inside 107%, they have a right to take part in the race. Regardless of that, Vettel should not have given Karthikeyan the finger and then later called him an idiot. It is unacceptable behaviour towards a fellow driver.

  10. Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 28th March 2012, 0:49

    Typical Hamilton. Egocentrism at its best.

    I think he got exactly the positions he deserved in those two races, and in fact he is very very lucky to be 2nd in the championship since both Vettel and Button finished without points last race.

    • MylesW (@mpw1985) said on 28th March 2012, 1:18

      God, you people will go to any lengths to twist Hamilton’s words and to call him “egocentric”. Hamilton is not saying “I’m the best and because I’m the best I should have more points”, he’s simply rueing his own errors (poor start in Australia and not setting up the car with enough wing to reduce tire-wear) and poor luck (pit stops/weather in Malaysia), and admitting that he’s not meeting his own standards. He’s perfectly within his rights to say what he said. He knows he has the best car, and he knows, if things had gone his way, that he could have had 50 points by now. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.

      • Aussie Fan said on 28th March 2012, 3:20

        @ MylesW eeeeerrm yes he is otherwise he could have just said ” I should have done better” rather than naming a specific points tally i.e 1st & 1st.

        That screams, “I am the best don’t you all know that? I should have won both races, but here are my excuses.”

        Wow do we really want to hear that from every driver?

        Imagine Naraiyn…… I should have won in my HRT but the team gave me a bad car & they engine wasn’t as powerful as I wanted the tyres didn’t work with my bad car or my driving style (which doesn’t need adjusting because I am awesome & the tyres should be changed to suit ME, not the other way around & my car had a bad setup because the team didn’t get it right & the track didn’t suit my crappy car the team gave me & the team made bad pit calls…….etc etc etc

        See my point? Now add 23 other such comments from every other driver & you see the fact that its ego centric eye rolling stuff right there.

        Oh shambles…..

        • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 28th March 2012, 7:05

          What’s wrong with naming a specific points tally? And how does it change the meaning of these words: “The main thing is I need to pick up my race pace. (…) Maybe I’m setting the car up too aggressively, so I might make some changes for the next two races.”

          He admits that he’s performing below his expectations and knows that he needs to improve. To be honest I see far more arrogance in your comments, than his, Aussie Fan.

      • Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 28th March 2012, 15:45


        We can see what he is saying. Clearly these comments were placed into the heading of this article and hence I am responding to it. And what do you mean by “you people”?

        I’ve always said Hamilton has issues with his ego and he does. Period. That doesn’t mean I dislike his driving skills and abilities. And I am sure he will win again. But I also hope he moves to a “slower” team one day, so he can learn to appreciate that lot of his F1 success was possible thanks to the brilliant team. But to say “I should have 50 points, but I don’t” – yeah this can mean many things; but if it means what it says, then it also considerably derides the achievements of drivers that actually beat him during those two races. Maybe in his own world of F1 where Hamilton is the only racing driver participating, should he have 50 points. Qualifying 1st doesn’t mean you somehow get immediate preference to win, or that you somehow should win by default. Guess what, you actually have to do it. And if you cannot do it, then there is a “good reason” for that. And to say anything otherwise is simply laughable. We can sit here arguing all day what he meant. Frankly I don’t care because my opinion of him is based on his entire F1 carrier.

        Now, if you feel he deserves more points for his achievements during these two GPs then maybe you can start here:


    • matt90 (@matt90) said on 28th March 2012, 1:31

      What Myles said. And anyway, how is it lucky that he is ahead of Button? Or even Vettel? Button performed poorly and was responsible for his own demise, and even though Vettel wasn’t to blame for his troubles he was running behind Hamilton at the time and may be behind Hamilton in points regardless of Narain.

    • That’s just childish. All he’s saying is that “I was on pole twice and failed to win, twice. Therefore I need to do a better job.”

      That’s all. All this talk of egocentrism is just pure projection.

      • rantingmrp (@rantingmrp) said on 28th March 2012, 3:56

        The Hamilton bashers here don’t need much excuse to come down hard on him as they praise their boy Jenson (a lot of the people writing anti-Hamilton tirades seem to be, oddly enough, McLaren fans). This article title was a godsend for them.

        • Aussie Fan said on 28th March 2012, 4:03

          No Hamilton is his own worst enemy with comments like this & “Its because I’m black” & his sookiness at the AUS GP podium. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to do the math & see what his attitude is.

          • Kani said on 28th March 2012, 6:47

            Aussie Fan, admit it. You simply don’t like Hamilton. Period. And that’s why you continue to bang away at him with no justifiable reason. However much you and other Hamilton haters twist his comments, it will only serve to justify your beef with the man but it doesn’t change the fact that Hamilton simply meant to say, “I should’ve done better” and not “I am the best”, as you seem to think. Didn’t think a few English words would be difficult for some people to understand!

          • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 28th March 2012, 7:46

            Well, I see you did the math and don’t want to hear that perhaps the data on which that math was done has changed, fine.

            But nothing of the sort can be gleaned from that article, it is just a racing driver who sees that he let 20 points slip away, and says he needs to find out what he can do to prevent that going on. In other words, trying to improve on doing his job …

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 28th March 2012, 9:35


            Your hate Hamilton. I hope it’s not because he’s black.

            What he said jokingly, is staple for black people, even here in Africa. Maybe he was unfortunate to use Ali G’s words, but that’s not that uncommon to hear black people jokingly using that quote.

          • Aussie Fan said on 29th March 2012, 3:36

            I’m sick of people saying I hate Hamilton. I think he is a phenomenal talent, one of if not the best on the grid in certain situations but if he makes an arrogant claim that isn’t entirely justified then I will call him on that.

            I think alot of people are trying to make out that I am a Hamilton hater simply to mask the fact that they are such fanboys that they will will never admit he can do anything wrong, which is just silly really.

            I will say it again, he knew EXACTLY what he was saying when he chose that turn of phrase.

            That’s not bashing, that’s calling a spade a spade. Really disappointed in some people’s reactions here.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 29th March 2012, 7:42

            he knew EXACTLY what he was saying when he chose that turn of phrase.

            Of course he did.

            The person who doesn’t know what he was saying is you.

      • Aussie Fan said on 28th March 2012, 4:01

        @ J you are putting words into his mouth he did not say that at all, he said ‘I should have 50 points” which is totally different to what you suggest with your word twisting.

        • tigen (@tigen) said on 28th March 2012, 5:35

          It’s not really different. He said he should have won both races. Clearly the chance to do so was there both times, given the car.

          It’s hilarious how worked up people get over driver comments.

          In the end the guy was on the podium both times. That’s better than the others can say. If he keeps up that consistency he’ll do just fine in the championship.

          • lewymp4 (@lewymp4) said on 28th March 2012, 5:54

            It’s amazing how some people work themselves up into a lather, regarding any comment coming from Lewis’s mouth.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 28th March 2012, 7:48


            It’s amazing how some people work themselves up into a lather, regarding any comment coming from Lewis’s mouth.

            I couldn’t agree more.

    • UKFan (@) said on 28th March 2012, 3:40

      I know that Hamilton is a bad actor you can immediatly see how he is feeling but he is right he should have done a better job, he just dominated both quallys!

  11. Aaron Andino (@zhunterzz) said on 28th March 2012, 0:56

    I’ve been bummed for him. They have a good car this season and he’s clearly still got the skills, he’s just having a tough time in the race. I think it has a lot to do with strategy and his tyre degradation, he’s notoriously rough on them.

  12. Macca (@macca) said on 28th March 2012, 0:56

    Yay, it’s my birthday.

  13. Marcus (@jadedwriter) said on 28th March 2012, 1:28

    Considering this time last year he didn’t have two consecutive podiums in his first two races he should be at the very least content with his progress with this season. There are 18 long races after this and as long as he keeps stringing these podium finishes together and bags the occasional win he should be fine. It also doesn’t appear that one single driver will be super dominant either. The WDC will go to the most consistent driver.

  14. MylesW (@mpw1985) said on 28th March 2012, 1:30

    I find it slightly frustrating the double standard that has been applied to drivers who voice criticism the way Vettel did this past weekend. I just love seeing that the people who jump to his defence over the Karthikeyan incident are the same ones who vilified Hamilton last year after Monaco for being “petulent”, “immature”, and “entitled” when he let his emotions overcome him after the race. I’m sorry that your wunderkid is showing his true colors now that he doesn’t have the best car on the grid, but that’s the way things work. I, however, am not going to fault Vettel, because I didn’t fault Hamilton last year- both are highly talented and highly competitive drivers who can let emotions get the better of themselves, and I understand that. But heck, at least Hamilton was kind of funny and charming during his rant. Vettel was just being a jerk.

    • Hahahahahahaha — yeah, okay. You’ve made your total lack of a double standard abundantly clear in this comment.

      • Vettèl said on 28th March 2012, 1:51

        How is he using a double standard? I mean, I guess the last sentence is kind of adouble standard in a joking way, but he says he doesn’t fault either driver in each case. Where’s the confusion?

        • He takes exception to those calling Hamilton “petulant,” etc., while at the same time saying “your wunderkid is showing his true colors now” — so Hamilton is unfairly cast as immature when he lets his emotions get the better of him, whereas Vettel is merely shown for what he always was? Ah, I see. And yes, one is “funny and charming” about it, while the other is a “jerk.” But I’m glad he’s definitely not faulting Vettel!

          • MylesW (@mpw1985) said on 28th March 2012, 4:23

            I simply meant to say that everyone seems to have praised Vettel for his “maturity” and laid-back, “friendly” demeanor (in contrast with Hamilton’s immaturity and petulance), whereas, now that the going has gotten a bit rough for him, his “true colors” (e.g. his slight arrogance, “emotional” responses) have shown again. It just annoys me that Vettel fans used him as a beacon of model behavior and level-headedness when arguing for why what Hamilton was doing was wrong. Again, I like to see that side of Vettel- in fact, I completely admire it in a racing driver. I simply meant to suggest that it was much easier for Vettel to “hide” his racing-driver emotions when he was winning all the time, whereas Hamilton struggled to do the same in a car in which he saw another WDC slip away.

            And yes, perhaps the last sentence was a bit of my Hamilton-bias showing through, but it was kind of meant to be lighthearted. I mean, I personally thought Hamilton was pretty outrageous- especially with his Ali G comment-, but he never called out a single driver and was never a bully towards anyone (besides the stewards, of course). Also, give me some credit for going out of my way and saying that I respect Vettel and his talents. The same courtesy seems to never apply when Vettel fans are “critiquing” Hamilton.

          • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 28th March 2012, 21:01

            @mpw1985 “but he neverw called out a single driver and was never a bully towards anyone…”

            “These drivers are absolutely fricking ridiculous, it’s stupid?”

            Charming indeed.


    • Karthikeyan (@ridiculous) said on 28th March 2012, 6:14

      @mpw1985 What did I miss? Did Vettel say he was black?

      • kbdavies said on 28th March 2012, 16:39

        Well, Vettel isnt Black. Hamilton is. I’m sure you didnt miss that one. The Ali.G statement was a joke, but meant to drive home a subtle point. The first Black driver in F1 is consistently before the stewards. Yes, does things that MAY put him there, but when others do the same type of stuff, the same standards applied to him are consistently lacking.
        Most black people with strong personalities in a corporate or educational settings have experienced the same thing – something you may not understand if you are not black. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

  15. julian said on 28th March 2012, 1:30

    But you only get 30

    • mike 9 said on 29th March 2012, 2:32

      So lets call it the awakening…

      Ham learned his biggest lesson in racing from his more balanced and consistent team mate and as a consequence being relegated to the yellow team (Higher car Numbers) has caused a serious mental re mapping.

      Love him or hate him it was Thrilling to watch the thrills and spills of the past all the duels unfolding each race all those daring maneuvers and exhilarating race craft he displayed had me on the edge of the couch an entire race felt like 15min it made a great show but posed serious risks to his championship. And now all that risk taking to gain a place or two seem destined to be replaced with solid drives to deliver podiums… and he has Mr smooth, steady and consistent his team mate to thank for the wake up call. Someone’s learned serious lessons true wisdom that comes with years of experience in that world championships don’t fall into your lap because you are the most popular guy, the best driver or you have the best car/team around you. All this does is put you in the game but YOU MUST FINISH WITH POINTS. No question McLaren has the machinery this year and no question he has the ability but again a world champion beckons sure he might have been a little unlucky but this time what he lacked the balance and poise between aggression and consistency is all coming together and all to make the correct decision for the points (championship). Sure it might get a little boring but Ham has worked a simple equation to his goal (World Champion) = beat my team mate and I’m there world champion in 2012 all he needs to do is continue to finish in front of But – pref. on the podium. Slow race starts and messy pit stops are uncharacteristic of this duo he will out qualify But again and again and a race wins are inevitable.

      Great drive by Alonso better drive by Perez certainly looking forward to future duels for minor places neither pose a serious enough threat for the championship don’t like the chances of ether finishing on the podium again but I certainly hope Perez surprises, it was a little reminiscent of old times Senna chasing Prost and great for Sauber but he wont last long there he is young and clearly talented he needs a competitive seat

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