Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Sepang, 2012

Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t”

F1 Fanatic round-upPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, Sepang, 2012In the round-up: Lewis Hamilton admits he should have scored more points so far this year.


Top F1 links from the past 24 hours:

Lewis Hamilton stresses McLaren positives and knuckles down for China (The Guardian)

“I should have 50 points, but I don’t. Yeah, we would love to have 20 points more, but at least we’ve had consistency and we’re there in the fight.”

No extra security needed for Bahrain – motorsport chief (BBC)

Bahrain Motor Federation president Sheikh Abdullah bin Isa Al Khalifa: “All I can guarantee you is you will be as safe as at any other Grand Prix.”

Written answers to questions (UK Parliament)

Alistair Burt (Parliamentary Under Secretary of State): “This is not a decision for the British Government and we have not made representations to the Federation Internationale de l?Automobile (FIA) regarding a decision on whether to cancel, reschedule or re-locate the Bahraini Grand Prix. Similarly, we have not lobbied any other country to take a position on this matter or to make representation to the FIA. It remains entirely the decision of the FIA on whether to postpone or cancel any race. I have told the Bahraini authorities that if the race does take place, we expect it to do so under the right conditions.”

Formula One to raise $1bn in loan [refinancing] – source (Reuters)

“Formula One’s shareholders include CVC which owns 63.4 percent of the company, Lehman Brothers’ administrators with 15.3 percent, Chief Executive Officer Bernie Ecclestone with 5.3 percent and Ecclestone’s former wife Slavica’s Bambino Holdings with 8.5 percent.”

Statement regarding Formula One finances (F1)

“Formula One Group has launched a process to extend its current financing facilities. This will involve raising $2.27bn of new facilities with maturities in 2017/18, replacing the company?s existing $2.92bn facilities which are due to mature in 2013/14.”

Ferrari cash in on new deal with Ecclestone (The Independent)

“Ferrari are believed to have followed Fernando Alonso’s shock win in Sunday’s Malaysian Grand Prix by concluding a lucrative deal with the Formula One ringmaster Bernie Ecclestone, receiving significantly better payments under a new Concorde Agreement to which the majority of teams are said to have agreed over the race weekend.”

Vettel labelled a Red Bully by backmarker Karthikeyan (The Mirror)

“Some guys when lapping they just try and bully you so much, it?s not fair. They overtake and want you to go off the road and it?s not right.”

Domenicali: “We have to continue to play a counter-attacking game” (Ferrari)

“I well remember that, four years ago, in fact right after a Malaysian Grand Prix, which was won for us by Kimi Raikkonen, Felipe was more or less in the same situation as today. The papers were demanding his immediate replacement and he managed to react in the best way possible, thanks to support from the team, which saw him win two of the next three races.”

Young driver test could be in Britain (Autosport)

“One idea that has received some support is to try and shift the young driver test to take place at Silverstone immediately after the British GP. However not all teams are in favour because of the difficulty of sorting out drivers at that stage of the campaign.”

The beginning of a legend: Ayrton Senna’s breakthrough Formula One car set to sell for ??750,000 (Daily Mail)

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Comment of the day

I hadn’t realise quite how few drivers had matched Alonso’s feat of winning at the same track with three different constructors until Paul Gilbert pointed it out:

Drivers to have won at the same venue for 3+ different teams:

Moss at Monza ?ǣ Maserati (1956), Vanwall (1957), Cooper (1959)
Fangio at Spa ?ǣ Alfa Romeo (1950), Maserati (1954), Mercedes (1955)
Fangio at Buenos Aires ?ǣ Maserati (1954, 1957), Mercedes (1955), Ferrari (1956)
Fangio at Nurburgring ?ǣ Mercedes (1954), Ferrari (1956), Maserati (1957)
Prost at Silverstone ?ǣ Renault (1983), McLaren (1985, 1989), Ferrari (1990), Williams (1993)
Alonso at Kuala Lumpur ?ǣ Renault (2005), McLaren (2007), Ferrari (2012)
Paul Gilbert

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Today in 2009 Williams responded to a protest by Red Bull and Ferrari against the double diffusers used by themselves, Toyota and Brawn, with a protest of their own.

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238 comments on “Hamilton: “I should have 50 points, but I don’t””

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  1. Hamilton’s sense of entitlement stems from being McLaren’s golden boy for many years, much in the same way Sebastien Vettel has been by Red Bull and Helmut Marko. Jenson Button has never had that luxary during his career after being kicked out by Williams and Renault to make way for Montoya and Alonso. He has never had a powerfull ally like Hamilton has had in Ron Dennis or Vettel has with Marko. He has had to carve his own path and realises that these situations are not given to him because of who he is or who he knows, but due to results.
    On the flip side, Hamilton is right. He has dropped alot of points considering the fact that he has started from pole position in both grands prix to date. In both Melbourne and Sepang his race pace was not good enough to threaten the leaders, although in Sepang he was handicapped due to McLaren’s shoddy pitstops. The crumb of comfort is that I still don’t believe that Ferrari are a serious threat to McLaren in ‘normal’ race conditions despite Fernando Alonso’s recent efforts. Fernando moreorless hinted at much after the grands prix in Sepang, he needs the team’s help if he is to fight for the championship. As the title stands, Jenson Button is Hamilton’s main threat and one he still has not got to grips with.

    1. He has had to carve his own path and realises that these situations are not given to him because of who he is or who he knows, but due to results.

      But did Hamilton not need to dominate everything from karting to F3 and GP2 in order to earn a top seat in F1 from the start, where he was still outstanding?

      1. My main point being, those “connections” that Vettel and Hamilton may have had, were earned due to results in the first place. That renders the argument about only Button having to earn everything through results is useless.

        1. @david-a I agree with you, +1.

        2. I agree completely, this is always the stance I’ve maintained when people tell me that Hamilton got into McLaren via luck. I’ve not seen much of Vettel before Formula 1, but the stuff I have seen has been very impressive. Both extremely talented drivers and I’d like to post this link to a beautiful battle these guys had in F3 showing amazing defending and attacking.


        3. Yes its true that Hamilton had to get results early in his career, but since 1995 he had alot of support from McLaren and Button has never had that. Vettel is the product of Red Bull’s youth academy, one of that organizations biggest successes, Button was never the product of such a system. That is my point!
          Jenson’s path into the sport was different from Vettel and Hamilton in that he never had the support of a big team behind him. When he was dropped by Renault, there were plenty of people who wrote Jenson off and now look at him? He has really had to knuckle down over the years and I respect that, for instance, at the end of 2008 he didn’t have a drive. Some of you are too quick to forget such things!

          1. I just want to add that I actually think Vettel and Hamilton had it harder than Button in reaching Formula 1. Ask any karter- nobody wants to be the guy who shows up at an event with a brand new kart, a McLaren sponsorship, media attention, etc., because then that person is expected to win. The pressure to perform when you’re part of a driver program is incredibly intense, and both Vettel and Hamilton deserve full marks for managing that pressure and coming out on top. In my opinion, it’s much easier to be a Button type-driver in karting, e.g. someone whose father couldn’t even afford wet weather tires (or so he says), than to be someone who has no excuses for not winning every race.

  2. Surprised Keith would even put out an article headlined like that. Red meat to the Hamilton haters. Just look at the top 3 or So responses. A lot of it is baseless suppositions as well – masquerading as genuine opinion. Has f1fanatic become a Lewis-bashing base?

    1. @rantingmrp There’s nothing wrong with the Guardian article, or how it is presented.

      Most people see the comments criticising Hamilton for what they are, a small minority who’ve got it in for him taking his words out of context in an attempt to have a go at him.

      Has f1fanatic become a Lewis-bashing base?

      Of course not: I’ve not got anything against him and at the last count he’s the second most popular driver on here.

      1. @keithcollantine Well he certainly seems to be the most popular driver here today :)

    2. Keith is very good at using headlines to draw people to read articles, as many in media are. He has been called out for headlines before, usually by people who only read the headline and don’t follow up by reading the article and understanding the whole picture. Every time I have read Keith being called out for a headline he has defended himself very well and has been right. But this headline is really nothing more than a quote from LH. ie. hardly ‘red meat’ meant by Keith to create an LH bashing base.

      Just because one particular poster has decided to make it his sole mission to shoot down LH, overwhelmingly argued against by the majority of those who responded to said poster, does not make Keith an inciter. Keith has provided a great site with a great forum and beyond that all comments are welcome as long as they meet the criteria of the rules on commenting, so to go after him for the wording of a few off-base commentors is wrong. To call it disgusting is in fact disgusting.

  3. I really don’t understand why Hamilton is getting grilled over his comments. I think it is a fair comment to make and he was setting better or equal times than Alonso even during the race so he had race winning pace.

    I think alot of you people need to really read what your saying because you sound like his done something wrong to you personally. The guy frustrates me but I always seem to gravitate to drivers who drive on emotion and are not really afraid to show it too.

    Thats why I am probably the only Hamilton and Alonso fan on here. :P

    1. its ok its all just a bit of light banter to fill our time before china…he should have 50 points if he could have converted pole posi to win. Then he would have been leading the championship :) its the ‘shoulda coulda woulda’…I should of gone to work today but i cbf’d

    2. I’m a Hamilton and Alonso fan!

    3. I like em both too Brah!

    4. Me too. And because they both have an immense amount of talent. I appreciate that.

    5. Actually Hamilton, Vettel and Alonso are among my favourite drivers. So you ain’t the only one :P.

    6. Hamilton and Alonso fan also. Raikkonen also!

    7. I’m a Hamilton and Alonso fan too. Epic drivers.

  4. I’ll say it straight;

    I’m no Hamilton fan. I like Alonso because he’s got some freakish talent that ensures that he almost always gets 100% out of the car, and regularly puts it in places lesser mortals are incabable of, and because I have a soft spot for Ferrari.

    I like Button because he’s a thinker. His smooth, tactical style appeals, and his win in Canada last year was one of the best races I’ve ever seen.

    I like Raikkonen because he simply doesn’t give a toss. He just wants to go fast, and he does. End of story. His anti-PR mentality is a breath of fresh air. His radio comments in Australia were comedy gold, and even funnier, because he wasn’t trying to be clever. What you see is more or less what you get with Raikkonen.

    I like Webber because he’s the local boy, and it takes grit to play second fiddle in a team that while supportive (on the surface), clearly sees him as nothing more than a means of sweeping up just enough points to ensure the Constructors title. He’s also a ‘heart on the sleeve’ kind of guy which appeals. Some of his racing is quite exciting too (on Alonso at Spa last year for example, or wheel to wheel with Hamilton around the back in Korea).

    Hamilton, for whatever reason, has never rubbed my buddha, as it where.

    Don’t get me wrong; I acknowledge and respect his talent. You don’t get to be a world champion and regular race winner by being a chump. His trophy cabinet speaks for itself. Germany last year where he caught Alonso with his trousers down was a thing of bittersweet beauty for me (Alonso fan, remember?). From time to time, his comments off track have either been inappropriate, or misconstrued as inappropriate. I’m not really interested in sorting out which specific incident falls under which catagory. I don’t really care. But for whatever reason, he just doesn’t catch my interest in the same way as the other drivers I’ve mentioned.

    Maybe its because he attracts controversy (self inflicted or not; again, I don’t care). I do know that I do get tired of the Hamiltion bashing and defending. Debate is good, but combing over every statement he makes and trying to second guess his meaning is pointless. There’s only one person who knows what Lewis Hamilton means when he speaks. That’s Lewis Hamilton.

    I’d much rather spend time speculating about who will come out on top between him and Button this year, and appreciating the races as they come. The ones where Hamilton does well, and the ones that he doesn’t. It’s all good.

    Whew! Glad to get that off my chest.

    Now on to more important things;

    If anyone is looking to buy one slightly used soul, I’d gladly sell mine for that Toleman!

    1. Ahhh a kindred spirit.

    2. +1

      Though I fear the next time Hamilton opens his mouth, debate will rage again…

    3. Great comment Lurker! I do somehow like HAM, but equally don’t really know why. All the rest of your post: I feel very very similar, though I should probably refrain more from trying to change unchangeable opinions more :)

      I’ll add that I like to see Vettel for his great talent in putting in those immaculate laps when they are needed, and showing great skill at controlling everything around him (but we haven’t yet seen him do it this year); I try not to be annoyed by his (teams/ way of) celebration (the Ferrari passion, and McLaren satisfaction gels better with me).

      That Toleman – we still have a spot free in the garage under our housing block, how cool would it be to put it there on display, sigh!

      @adrianmorse – sometimes it’s almost enough reason to wish he’d not be there really, but not quite.

    4. Great comment, Lurker…so who will come out on top this year? JB or LH?

      1. Good question.

        I’d LIKE Button to win it (both beating Hamilton in the team, and getting the WDC). Whether he will remains to be seen.

        There’s still 18 races to go, which is a long time in F1. I think it will almost certainly come down to driver psychology and the “formula” of F1 this season.

        I don’t subscribe to the idea that MacLaren favors one driver over the other, or that they deliberately sabotage one driver or the other (MacLaren want the Constructors title. Sabotaging drivers to decrease their chances of scoring points strikes me as madness).

        I DO believe however, that there can be different group dynamics between JB and his team of engineers, and between LH and his team of engineers. This comes down to driver behaviour (and therefore psychology). I believe at the moment that JB is “gelling” better with group, at the moment. This gives a psychological boost to JB, encourages the team to go the extra mile, and MAY even decrease LH’s confidence.

        The other thing to consider is LH’s state of mind. Coming into this season, it was pretty obvious that he was feeling much more confident than last year. It seems he’s put most of his personal issues behind him, and this showed in his driving (double pole position). The question becomes whether the fact that JB took first blood in Australia, and couldn’t convert pole into a win in Malaysia (behind Fernando in the lame duck, and a SAUBER for goodness sake!), will damage his confidence.

        I can only speculate of course, but I believe to some extent, LH must be comparing his pole to win ratio to Vettel’s last year. I doubt it’s a pleasing thought for him. It depends on whether he can take that disappointment, and appropriately use it to focus, without stepping into desperation.

        JB on the other hand, has much less to worry about in many ways. He knows he’s the first one to beat LH on points over a season. He’s already won a race this year, against a teammate who qualified higher. Even with the problems in Malaysia, he does have a lot of “confidence momentum” to ride on. As would his team of engineers.

        I think RIGHT NOW, JB has the psychological edge. A lot can change in 18 races, so who knows, it may swing back into LH’s favor, but at this point, JB would have the edge.

        As for the technical side, again I think JB’s got the tiniest margin on LH at the moment.

        The cars are the same (barring setup). the MacLarens seem to be the car to beat at the moment (odd weather conditions in Malaysia notwithstanding). The big talking points this season are the tyres, and the change to the exhaust regulations. Both of these conditions seem to favor Button’s natural driving style. Hamilton has definitely improved the way he manages the tyres, but it still seems that like last year, Button is better able to manage them over the course of a race. Again, early days, but JB may have the edge because of that.

        From the races that I watched last year (and this year) I think JB has a better ability to manage race strategy. It seems he is more involved in the process with the team, and is better able to determine when to push, and when to sit back (his questions about the Red Bull’s pace in Australia strike me as typical JB). It comes back to that “gelling” with the team I was talking about.

        LH on the other hand, seems to rely more on the team to direct him on race strategy. It makes sense in a way. Let the team direct strategy, so he can focus on what he’s doing on the track. Nothing wrong with this of course, but if the results are anything to go by compared to JB last year, it doesn’t seem to be as effective. I fully admit that this is only a surface impression, based on interviews and race-radio transmissions, which as we all know, don’t really reflect the TRUE circumstances.

        That said, I believe the current “formula” of F1 combined with JB’s (seemingly) smoother (if a tad slower), more tactical style, may give him the edge.

        Like I said, still 18 races to go, so anything could happen between now and then, but right now, I’d bet on Button.

        1. Great stuff, Lurker…I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. If I could add anything it would be to say I think this rivalry will be awesome to watch this season because of the combination of JB having come off last season smelling like a rose, and LH admitting in the off-season that he had a little too much fun that cost him training time which cost him on race days. I think that must have been terrible for the team and the sponsors to hear, that some of LH’s ‘downfall’ last year was of his own doing (off the track) after all their hard work and hard earned money went into backing him. Bearing those things in mind I think the onus and the pressure is more on LH to up his game, vs. the pressure on JB to maintain it. And with two poles it looks like LH is there, yet JB is so there too…I think the pressure is on LH after two races and I always watch for how drivers do when the pressure is at it’s greatest. And imho LH has proven often enough to make mental errors that I think JB is sitting pretty right now. The onus is very much on LH to prove this likes of us wrong, and the majority of posters here I believe far and away think LH is the better driver, so we shall see. I think we will be able to throw a blanket over these two all season and it will come down to mental errors and in that regard JB will win out. I think JB is better than he has ever been, making true comparisons to LH a moving target and not one we can really make based on the JB of the past.

          1. Just wanted to add that in fairness to LH he does lead JB by 5 points right now, and I think it is significant that both drivers have every reason to be extremely excited and stoked about their potential in what is obviously the car to beat right now, and I think they have eluded to that, so in my claim that the onus is on LH to up his game, that aspect will be a lot easier for him to achieve in a car that seems to be able to handle the competition quite well right now. ie. if it doesn’t go according to plan on a given Sunday for whatever reason, the car will be there for both of them the next Sunday for them to answer immediately to any misfortune from the previous race, so they can both take great comfort in that.

  5. maybe cos Hamy is the furthest from a racing driver of the old ilk but more of a contemporary artificial-commercial-hollywood-ayrtonsenna-wannabe-look at me-look at me sort of a racer?

    1. All the racing drivers of the old ilk have long since departed this world. The generation after the old ilk, are often times, rambling nonsense when they have a mic in front of them.
      This is the current generation.
      Except of course, by old ilk, you are implying something else.

  6. @keithcollantine
    That’s some feat those drivers accomplished while

    winning at the same time with three different constructors

    Ferrari wanting three cars is one thing, but one guy driving three different cars at once is just getting over the top! When will the FIA step in to regulate this craziness I ask you?

    Nice mention in the Mail ‘editor of leading motorsport website F1Fanatic.co.uk’. Sweet!

  7. He reminds me of a Mercedes W03 this year,which is sad.

  8. How on Earth anyone can read negatively into that Hamilton article is beyond me. Take your time to read it, it’s only brief.

    He sounds genuinely positive and forward thinking. We all know how important consistency is in this sport. Red Bull’s lack of it almost lost them the championship in 2010 but won them it in 2011.

    I can’t see Alonso putting in another race like he did in Malaysia and McLaren certainly won’t be under threat from Ferrari in the Constructors.

    He’s in the right frame of mind.

    1. I’m going to take a cue from the internet and start shouting people down who are self-critical, until they apologise for being a little humble and become as antagonistic as me.

      1. I think Lewis has done great this year so far. He’s had truly awful luck in both races, yet has kept a cool head throughout and collected good points. He has come out with more points than any of his main title contenders (I can’t see Alonso challenging, but I hope I’m wrong). Both Vettel and Button have had better luck, but missed the opportunity to capitalise.

  9. Such a stark contrast between the Hamilton of this year and of the last one. Seem like completely different drivers. Last year he looked uncomfortable, fidgety and edgy and this year despite not maximizing his points tally he looks more relaxed. Disappointed, yes, but still positive. I hope for his sake that as the season will go on and the title fight becomes tougher and it may boil down to between him and Button he can maintain the same calm and composure. I guess racers have a “happy place” and Lewis has maybe found his.

  10. Vettels comments don’t really surprise me in all honesty, does anyone remember Hamiltons comments in his first season about the back markers? Calling them the monkeys at the back!!

    1. He didn’t call the back markers monkey Dave.
      He was referring to a slang used by drivers in the lower series to describe how crazy it gets a few rows behind pole.
      Vettel insulted someone, several times, Hamilton used a term while in GP2 or something, that he didn’t invent, but described chaos. So don’t try to make light of what Vettel did.

  11. I just realised something. Button won the Australian Grand Prix this year which was his third win at the venue. Alonso won the Malaysian Grand Prix which too was his third victory at the venue. If it goes on, Hamilton should win in China, Massa should win in Bahrain, Raikkonen should win in Spain, Alonso would win Monaco, Hamilton would win in Canada, Vettel would win in Valencia, Alonso should win in Britain…..
    But I’m pretty sure that won’t come true…

    1. The Massa part in Bahrain holds by a thread. The others are not impossible to say the least !

      1. kenneth Ntulume
        28th March 2012, 12:04

        @thekingofspa: You are a terrible statistician. To forecast about 5 future events, based on 2 past observations.

        1. I think that was a joke…

  12. Isn’t that what a F1driver is all about: never being statisfied with less then the win or what’s achievable with the car? IMO Hamilton merely says his races weren’t good enough given the oppertunity presented by a car which only has a very slight edge over the others.

    I think many of these people being critic towards Hamilton here rather want a second Massa who seems to be content with his sloppy drives… .

    1. Holy Samos twitted this video yesterday…… I think that it is exactly what we are talking about….. enjoy!!!!

      1. I am sooooo sorry…. Lee McKenzie…….. my bad!!!! :)

  13. 118 comments about who said what but no mention of over 3 Billion dollars in five years being siphoned out of the sport while Bernie rings his hands and complains the teams (who actually are the source of the income) should be restricted to spending only 60 Million dollars a year to pay their hundreds of staff and their drivers,engine suppliers etc. Had this 3 Billion dollars been distributed among the teams even the backmarkers could afford to develop competitive cars and we would not need all the restrictions on engine design and development.

    1. I like what Parr had to say about Bernie last year. Seems quite right to say the least.

    2. fair distribution of wealth in teams? what world do you live in? its a great idea but when havent the rich become richer? now youve opened a can of worms…why the f is the Bahrain race still happening? we gonna go have a grand race with the rich and famous living it up in a country in the middle of a democratic struggle? but hey we get to kick back and watch a race from the comfort of our living rooms…and Bernie makes his millions. Its what its all about sonnyjim

    3. Great observation, HoHum…perhaps it is an indication that we (in general) just want to see racers and racing, and the behind the doors stuff going on with BE et al is hard to get a handle on or relate to, even when it can effect the money the teams get. From what I understand the teams are about to get a bigger piece of the pie and discussions about how all the teams can agree to the restricting costs of playing in F1 continue. But I think of it like this…drivers like Villeneuve and Montoya, upon leaving F1 said they miss the cars and the racing but not the politics. I think most fans would say the same thing.

    4. Wouid that the sport were held and run in trust to the Fans and stakeholders. F1 is just like any other major economic asset, like a strip mine or an oilfield. It goes on the market, it goes to the highest bidder, and that bidder generally will extract the maxium value from it without killing it. But sometimes investors kill cash cows through negligence, or they might figure out the cow is worth more as various cuts of steak than as a going concern. If the UK goverment nationalized it, that would be OK with me, but obviously not in the cards.

  14. Re: Toleman story in the Mirror

    You’re becoming famous, Keith!! :O)

    I expect that car to fetch more than 750k. There must be some very rich enthusiasts out there…

  15. In 2007 Lewis didnt win a race until the 6th race of the season. He needs to bare this in mind if he dosnt already.

    Knocking in consistent podiums is whats going to win him the championship.

    As Domenicali said, Massa was nowhere by the second race of the season in 2008, and was fighting for the title by the end, theres a long way to go and Lewis has a solid handful of points to build on.

    1. kenneth Ntulume
      28th March 2012, 12:11

      @N Lewis should read your statement………..
      But i suspect he is the inconsolable type, too hard, too critical, of themselves

  16. kenneth Ntulume
    28th March 2012, 12:08

    Attempting the dirty business of devil advocacy, I am yet to find a thread of wrong, with an exclamation…”I coulda”ve done better!! given my 2 poles.
    well some people have more benchmarks than others is the nearest answer i have.

    1. “You don’t understand I coulda had class, I coulda had 50 points, I coulda been somebody… instead of a bum which is what I am, let’s face it………… It was you, Martie.” :)

  17. kenneth Ntulume
    28th March 2012, 12:15

    i take the risk to declare sentence of the year
    “Red BuLLY”

  18. Moving the young drivers test to Silverstone the week after the British gp sounds like a good idea as it means less stress for the teams as its closer to home and would give them more time off to get home between fly away races later in the year. I would also imagine more fans will be able to go and watch testing then would be in the middle east.

    However its the british summer, so its more likely to rain than in the middle east and picking good young drivers who are also available to be at Silverstone will be more difficult right in the middle of the season.

    Perhaps one solution would be to hold it in Spain after the last race of the season at somewhere like Barcalona or Jerez? Or perhaps moving it to preseason next year, as this year at one point there was a gap between tests that may have been suitable to fit in a young drivers test?

  19. When a driver is winning, he will always show his friendly side, joke around and show smiley faces but it is when that same driver is loosing, one gets to see his true feelings.

    Staying away from the actual incident between NK and SV, I have to say that SV’s behaviour was not good. A double WC who always joked around when he dominated 2011 is now calling other drivers “idiots”.

    He shouldn’t forget that when he was driving for STR, he rammed into Webber behind the safety car.
    He shouldn’t forget the way he hit Button at Spa in 2010 and cost Button p2.

    His behaviour was shameful to say the least.

    1. Add Kubica to that list. I remember him taking him out in Australia once.

    2. He only called one driver an idiot. And Karthikeyan was an idiot. he could have easily gone off the power. Or he could have kept a tighter line when letting Hamilton and Vettel through. Instead he goes to wide, hits the curbs and throws his car back on the track. That’s the definition of an idiot.

      Come on people. Idiot isn’t the harshest of words one can throw at another.
      This thing is being blown WAY out of proportion.

      Furthermore, Vettel took responsibility for the incidents at Fuji ’07, Albert Park ’09 and Spa ’10.
      Also, what did Vettel say over the team radio after colliding with Kubica? “Sorry guys, I’m an idiot.”

      Here we have Karthikeyan admitting he was at fault but then blames the ‘bullies’ in the faster cars…
      I think J P Montoya said it best. We only need to replace the name Raikkonen with Karthikeyan in this case.

  20. I still don’t get how F1 got into all these debt.
    They don’t own the race tracks.
    They don’t promote any race or venue.
    The don’t sponsor any team.
    The get paid TV licences.
    They get paid track side advertising.
    I know of only one employee on Level 100, the next employee I know of is a level 3 camera man.
    They take the bulk of the money generated and throw the leftovers into a pool of crocodiles.
    Yet all we hear of is debt debt debt, where is all the money going?

    1. I think the situation is that the shareholders of the entity holding these commercial rights are using all of these juicy assets and “receivables” to finance other enterprises.

      “Shareholders in motor racing group Formula One (F1) are raising $1 billion from a loan refinancing which will be paid into a holding company for future dividends and acquisitions, a person familiar with the matter said on Tuesday. ”

      It’s being used as collateral to support borrowing for other purposes. Of course, when things don’t go well, the cash cow is suddently saddled with massive debt. And the owners start to have to liquidate its assets or chop its costs to satisfy the banks.

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