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Sebastian Vettel, Yas Marina, 2012In the round-up: Sebastian Vettel believes whoever wins the title between him and Fernando Alonso will deserve it.

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129 comments on Vettel: Whoever wins title will deserve it

  1. I agree entirely: both Alonso and Vettel have driven very well this year and both would be deserving triple world champions. This isn’t like 2011 where Vettel clearly had the quickest car, he’s had to fight for this one. Likewise, Alonso was absolutely faultless in the first half of the season.

    • 91jb12 (@91jb12) said on 13th November 2012, 0:15

      both have been excellent. Alonso slightly the better but Seb has had to fight for it and come from behind if he is to take it, making few errors. Alonso has rarely enjoed the fastest car and has hardly made an error

    • HeX (@) said on 13th November 2012, 8:20

      @ettel1

      Agreed +10000000000

      Vettel has done a great job in keeping in title contention with a weaker RB8 early/mid season, and especially in making the most of a resurgent RB8 to quickly overhaul Alonso’s lead.

      While Alonso has also done a great job, by capitalising on rivals faltering forms early/mid season to carve out such a lead previously, also greatly thanks to Ferrari’s ability to provide him with a strong F2012 capable of consistently challenging for top 5 places every race since the Mugello update, but still nevertheless very impressive.

      Both would be very deserving champions. In fact, all champions are deserving of their titles TBH. We, ordinary spectators, have no right to have make such heavy judgement on whether they’ re deserving, because what they achieved is something many of us wouldn’t be able to match. Sadly, because of anonymity and plain ignorance, some people start to make very biased, judgemental claims on whether these champions “deserve it or not”.

      We can express our views, but we must also know our limits, especially as compared to these great talents in the top-tier of motorsport.

    • Todfod (@todfod) said on 13th November 2012, 10:19

      @vettel1

      This isn’t like 2011 where Vettel clearly had the quickest car

      He has had the fastest car again this year… maybe not by the 2011 margin.. but the fastest car nonetheless

      • @todfod – I disagree: over the course of the season the only races in which Red Bull have had a clear performance advantage are Valencia, Japan, Korea and India. In comparison, McLaren have been fastest in Australia, Malaysia, Hungary, Belgium & Monza. Note that McLaren have had more races with the fastest car (note: I am talking of clear performance advantages, of which there can be almost no dispute of).

        Vettel wasn’t given a number 1 car at the begging of the season but he is now leading the championship.

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 14th November 2012, 5:36

          What about the rest of the circuits?

          What about Monaco, Bahrain, Britain.. would you say there was a car quicker than the Red Bull on those circuits?

          I agree the Mclaren was quick.. infact I would say they were quickest in Spain as well.

          Overall Mclaren and Red Bull have been equally quick.. but Red Bull has been more consistent and reliable… which makes them the best car of the season.

          I dont know how anyone can argue against Seb having the best car this year

          • uan (@uan) said on 14th November 2012, 5:48

            The Mercedes was quicker than the Redbull in Monaco, and without his penalty from Spain, Schumacher would have been on pole and probably would have won the race.

            Hard to say about Britian, with all the rain over the entire weekend, it was much more of crap shoot.

          • @todfod – I made a point of putting in bold clear performance advantage: in Monaco Schumacher was on pole before his penalty (and Rosberg was right up there also), in Bahrain Lotus were arguably much quicker in the race (and Räikkönen probably would have beaten Vettel had he qualified higher), Britain was clouded by the rainy qualifying, so it is up for debate whether McLaren could have qualified higher or if the Ferrari may have been quicker on a different strategy, but in all of the races you have mentioned Red Bull had no clear performance advantage unlike in say Japan.

            I’d say the McLaren has been the fastest car through the course if the season but granted it will do you no favours if the car can’t make it to the finish, but McLaren have thrown away a fair few points in the pits also (which obviously has nothing to do with the car).

      • stirper said on 13th November 2012, 11:44

        I agree @todfod +1

    • Jayfreese (@) said on 13th November 2012, 12:24

      Both are worthy of the crown, worthy of a third crown. I’m not a Alonso’s fan (my best friend is) nor a Vettel’s fan (my brother is), but they both are on their peak this season. They have been mighty, consistent, shadowing their teams, shadowing their team-mates aswell. They are true legends. They are the heart of the 2012 Formula One World Championship. No matter what happens. No matter who wins.

  2. Nick Jarvis (@nickj95gb) said on 13th November 2012, 0:15

    except for Vettel.
    it would be Newey who won it, not Vettel

    • @nickj95gb – So Newey provided Vettel with a world-class fastest car at the begging of the season? Please, it’s only been since Japan that the Red Bull has actually been the fastest car (bar Valencia and possible Britain). Coincidently, when he was given a fast enough car he won 4 races in a row. As I’ve said above, he’s had to fight to get himself in a position to challenge for the championship which he has done brilliantly.

    • Commendatore (@commendatore) said on 13th November 2012, 0:38

      Between Newey and Alonso, I’d say Alonso deserved more the title. Hell, he will deserve it more even if it’s won by a Newey’s car.

      • @commendatore – I’m only going to say one thing: would you being saying the same about Newey if Alonso was driving for Red Bull and Vettel Ferrari?

        • Commendatore (@commendatore) said on 13th November 2012, 16:05

          @vettel1 – No I woudn’t, because even though Alonso would have won the title already, the car would have still be built by Newey. Which implyes that Alonso is still a better (more complete) driver than Vettel.

          The fact is, I know that Alonso is contribuiting more to the development of the car (any car in any team), than Vettel and in same cars Alonso would win the title (in the form that he is in now). Though Vettel might grow and surpass Alonso in the future, and if that happens I will change my view accordingly and praise more Vettel than Alonso.

          The absolute master of contribuiting in the development of the car was of course the all-time no.1 driver -> Michael Schumacher (in his 1st career). ;)

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 13th November 2012, 16:12

            @commendatore

            The fact is, I know that Alonso is contributing more to the development of the car than Vettel

            How do you know this?

          • Commendatore (@commendatore) said on 13th November 2012, 16:21

            From various quotes I have read similar to this one:

            Bernard Dudot, head of the Renault engine program in the mid-1980s when Senna raced in a Lotus with a Renault engine and in the mid-1990s when Senna and Schumacher raced with Renault engines at Williams and Benetton, said both were skilled technically. But Schumacher, he said, has a greater understanding of every area – engine, aerodynamics, chassis and tires.

            “Michael came up with strong proposals – as a driver, of course; he didn’t try to play the engineer – and he knew exactly what he would need,” Dudot said. “We did things on the engine at that time that we would never have done – or never have developed – had it not been him.

            “Senna imposed more than he proposed. He succeeded, but I think that in a team, Michael adds more than Ayrton, because Ayrton put huge pressure on the engineers. In general, he was not often wrong, but he worked differently, without delegating.”

          • @commendatore – How do you know he would have won the title already? How can you be so sure Alonso is indeed a better driver? The fact is you can’t. What I was suggesting anyway was if everything played out exactly as it has but with roles reversed, would you being saying the same things? I doubt you would.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 14th November 2012, 14:34

            @commendatore – And those quotes refer to “Michael”, not “Fernando”! Classic.

    • sid90 (@sid90) said on 13th November 2012, 1:45

      @nickj95gb I agree with @vettel1 – and these statements against Seb are getting pretty tiresome to be honest.

    • Kimi4WDC said on 13th November 2012, 4:46

      Since when is Alonso building his own machinery?

      Seriously, some people…..

      • HeX (@) said on 13th November 2012, 7:45

        Yes, Alonso is fully responsible for dragging the same ‘dog’ of a F2012 (that could barely make it pass Q3 in Australia) into title contention. He has greatly contributed to the strong development of the car, thanks to his very precise,all great and perfect feedback and godly driving skills, with Ferrari’s actual wealth of resources and talented engineers playing a minimal role in the turnaround instead, because Alonso’s a much better driver compared to Vettel, who has had the luxury a ‘very dominant RB8 throughout the season‘(/sarcasm).

        That F2012 clearly isn’t as c*** as most people seem to over-hype it to be, sadly.

        • OEL F1 (@oel-f1) said on 13th November 2012, 8:55

          That F2012 clearly isn’t as c*** as most people seem to over-hype it to be, sadly.

          It isn’t at this stage of the championship, but do you remember just how awfully slow and undrivable if was at the beginning of the season? The only strenght of that car is it’s reliability.

          • HeX (@) said on 15th November 2012, 8:15

            Yes i know, I’m saying that most people still seem to be under the impression that he is still piloting the exact same undrivable F2012 from Australia that Alonso is now dragging to title contention.

            It isn’t. Just look at how Massa has improved since, look at their position in the Constructors Championship currently. Clearly they can’t go that far in the same c*** Ferrari from Australia? No, it has improved tremendously, with both drivers now easily being able to fight for the top 5 consistently, for most races since the Mugello update.

            I’d say it’s down to the team and Alonso managing to make full use of their package, and circumstances (big fluctuations in rivals’ pace) that allowed them to go this far. It certainly is never down to the one and only ‘superior driver’ alone. That’s why it is called a team sport in this respect.

    • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 13th November 2012, 5:01

      @nickj95gb Do you hold the same view for Mansell, Prost, Hill, Villeneuve and Hakkinen who have all won world championships in Newey cars?

    • Jason (@jason12) said on 13th November 2012, 7:22

      You’re right Nick, other drivers deserved it more. One would think this should be obvious to anyone whose watched the entire season.

    • mharker said on 13th November 2012, 7:56

      If it’s not the driver and just the car, and if anyone could be in Vettel’s position in that car, then Webber should be right up there too.

      Like @sid90 said, these ‘attacks’ against Vettel are becoming tiresome.

      • stirper said on 13th November 2012, 11:50

        what makes you think that Mark Webber is better than Narain Karthikeyan ?

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 13th November 2012, 12:09

          Not sure if serious, but Webber did far more at Jaguar/Minardi/Williams, than Narain did in his entire F1 career.

        • Striper, I think Webber is better than Karthikeyan because Webber replaced De La Rosa at Jaguar, and De La Rosa is beating Karthikeyan. So, logically, if Webber is better than De La Rosa then he must therefore be better than Karthikeyan. Nice try though.

        • F1fanNL (@) said on 13th November 2012, 13:41

          I don’t know about Webber being better than Karthikeyan, I assume he is.
          Nevertheless, Webber beat Alonso in F3000 so he’s at least better than Alonso.

        • mharker said on 13th November 2012, 16:53

          It doesn’t really matter who is better. Because if according to @nickj95gb it’s just Adrian Newey and the car that is winning and the driver doesn’t count for much, any driver should be able to be in Vettel’s position now. But Webber isn’t. So it can’t be just the car.

    • Neel Jani (@neelv27) said on 13th November 2012, 9:24

      @Nick Jarvis: In that case, Mark Webber would also have been fighting in it.

    • Moosehead said on 13th November 2012, 18:45

      @Nick – Great point!
      So let’s take Hakkinen’s titles away and give them to Newey because guess what? He drove a Newey designed car.
      We need to give Mansell’s title with Williams from 1992 to Newey because he also drove a car designed by Newey that year.
      Take Prost’s title from 1993 as well and gice that to Newey, Prost won the title in 1993 in a Newey car.
      While we’re at it, take Hill and Villeneuve’s titles away and give them to Newey. Again, Newey deigned cars.
      People saying a designer deserves the title versus the driver are completely clueless about F1. That, or they are just trolling for people like me to respond!

  3. thejudge13 (@thejudge13) said on 13th November 2012, 0:21

    Masterful stating of the obvious – Vettel.

    • @thejudge13 – I think this statement has been made because a large amount of people seem intent on playing down Vettel’s championship effort as Adrian Newey’s. What they forget is his performances in Australia, Bahrain and Belgium for example; in all of which he had to fight hard to for the podiums he rightly deserved in a car which wasn’t the fastest.

      Also, Alonso’s Ferrari hasn’t exactly been a slouch as has Vettel’s Red Bull. Ever since Spain the Ferrari has been a pretty decent car, always within the top 3/4 fastest cars. It isn’t exactly as if he is hauling an HRT to podiums and victories.

      • Michael Brown (@) said on 13th November 2012, 0:39

        I think the Red Bull was the fastest in Bahrain; but Raikkonen’s tire strategy made him very quick as well.

      • uan (@uan) said on 13th November 2012, 0:53

        It isn’t exactly as if he is hauling an HRT to podiums and victories.

        oh, but he is. And Alonso also never states the obvious when he says “we are giving it our maximum”. lol.

        Don’t get me wrong, Alonso is a great driver and probably the most complete package racing today, but he’s also being given more credit than is due — like the Ferrari is a dog of a car (in Abu Dhabi, his fastest lap was only a hundredth or so off Vettel and both Vettel and Alonso were tenths ahead of any other car). In fact Brundle brought up the fact that Alonso probably under performed in qualifying. Or that he is the only driver giving 120% maximum. Like Vettel, Hamilton or even Narain aren’t?

        Also Redbull may have Newey, but as Alonso said, he has the best team and that’s worth a huge amount – he’s not losing points because of alternator failures or under fueled cars. If McLaren was half as good as a team this year as Ferrari, Hamilton would probably have already wrapped up the WDC.

        To me, while it’s his only real hope, it’s also a bit sad that Fernando’s hope for winning the championship is based on the mistakes of others. It’s one of the reasons that Vettel was so worthy in 2010, when it came down to crunch time, he won 4 out of the last 5 races and it should have been 5 out of 5. It’s one thing to have a car capable of winning, but going out and winning race after race is the sign of a champion.

        • raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 13th November 2012, 1:00

          @uan not only that – but Alonso’s fastest lap was only 1 tenth slower than Vettel’s, despite Vettel being on option tyres that were 7 laps younger than Alonso’s primes.

        • Commendatore (@commendatore) said on 13th November 2012, 1:53

          @uan “…To me, while it’s his only real hope, it’s also a bit sad that Fernando’s hope for winning the championship is based on the mistakes of others…”

          Or, you can put it another way:
          “…it’s a bit sad that Vettel’s hope of winning the championship is based on the mistakes of others i.e. McLaren, Lotus & Ferrari being unable/incapable in building faster cars than RBR and pulling out race strategies better that RBR.”

          Now which one is truer? Who is really the more deserving in winning 2012 titles? :)

          • Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 13th November 2012, 2:47

            …it’s a bit sad that Vettel’s hope of winning the championship is based on the mistakes of others i.e. McLaren, Lotus & Ferrari being unable/incapable in building faster cars than RBR

            Isn’t that how it usually is? The driver who has the fastest car, but more importantly, is able to exploit the benefits of having that fastest car, without flinching, wins.

            In that statement, you could swap out Vettel’s name for Schumacher (during the Ferrari domination era) or Alonso (in the 2005 Renault) – both had the benefit of a good car that other teams were incapable of matching, and capitalized on others’ errors – but neither would be any less of a deserving champion. All drivers, no matter what equipment they’re in, fight hard. All drivers’ champions deserve their titles.

          • Dane. (@dane-1) said on 13th November 2012, 2:48

            The driver with the most points at the end of the season, is the most deserving to be WC

          • uan (@uan) said on 13th November 2012, 4:12

            “Or, you can put it another way:
            “…it’s a bit sad that Vettel’s hope of winning the championship is based on the mistakes of others i.e. McLaren, Lotus & Ferrari being unable/incapable in building faster cars than RBR and pulling out race strategies better that RBR.”

            That’s not the same. We’re talking driver vs. driver. One reason I like Vettel is that he focuses on what he can do with what he has. Alonso also did this in 2010, stating that he’d be in with a chance if he finished on the podium from Italy onwards. And he was correct.

            As far as teams go, they each have their share of strengths and weaknesses. McLaren nailed the car design from the get go but team mistakes cost them points. Then they didn’t develop their car that well during the season. But it’s still fast.

            Ferrari tanked it in the beginning, except in the rain (Malaysia) and while they didn’t get back to the ultimate level of RB, they did develop their car very well and the team itself during races has been flawless.

            RBR suffered hugely from the new regs and their issues at the beginning of the season are well known. But they haven’t been as flawless as Ferrari (Abu Dhabi?).

            The WDC is decided over the entire season, not just how the last few races go. And having an advantage at the end of the season doesn’t diminish the efforts of the driver when the car wasn’t so good.

            As I’ve stated above, the driver who should be leading this year is probably Hamilton. All things being equal, I’d love to see no team mistakes (slow pitstops, etc.), and no DNFs due to crashes or mechanicals, and see what would have happened if all the top guys finished every race based on where their cars were at during each race.

        • MrHanz said on 13th November 2012, 4:19

          You could also say Alonso’s not going to win this year’s championship because of the mistakes of others, especially from those driving black and gold cars.

          • You could also say Vettel would have wrapped this championship up sooner had it not been for that HRT and his alternators, or that Alonso might be further back had it not been for McLaren faultering in Malaysia.

            Comments like that can be argued both ways, and arguably Alonso has been the luckiest driver this year. Both Alonso and Vettel are about equal on lost points (Vettel -12/15 in Malaysia, -25 [and +7 for Alonso] in Valencia, -8/10 in Italy and possibly -10 in Abu Dhabi) (Alonso -8/15 in Belgium, -15/18 in Japan).

            I’ve been generous to both drivers in assuming they’d finish in the position they were in or higher and even so Vettel is down 45 (on the low estimate – excluding Abu Dhabi) and Alonso is down 33 (on the high estimate) – excluding points gained from Vettel’s Valencia retirement).

            And actually, while we’re on the subject of luck, Hamilton would be in title contention had it not been for the team mistakes, and he would have undoubtably taken points out of Alonso and Vettel’s tallies, so I’d keep luck out of the argument if you are trying to defend Alonso.

    • @thejudge13 do you think Vettel:-

      (A) sat bolt upright in the middle of the night, googled the name of some random journalist, called him up and offered him his unprompted views on the relative merits of his season versus Alonso’s; OR

      (B) offered the quoted passage in answer to the following question posed to him in a formal interview: “Q: Let’s look at Fernando Alonso. He was very consistent for a long time this season, but now he must feel the pain of having had some retirements – contrary to you, whose season has dramatically changed since Singapore…”?

      If you picked (B), what did you expect him to say? That he doesn’t think he deserves to win the title? That it really should go to his rival?

      It’s always amusing to me to see stars from various sports being criticised for what is quoted in news articles, when all they are doing is responding to questions while fulfilling the undoubtedly tiresome duty of constant media commitments. I’m sure Vettel would rather be in the car than being asked for the hundredth time how he thinks his season is going.

      If the answers of the drivers at times lack a little imagination, that’s no doubt a reflection of the predictability and repetitiveness of the questions they are asked.

  4. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 13th November 2012, 0:45

    Call me a cynic, but Vettel’s comments feel like he is trying to justify suddenly taking control of the championship and making it look easy while Alonso has had to fight tooth and nail for every point this year.

    • raymondu999 (@raymondu999) said on 13th November 2012, 1:02

      @prisoner-monkeys It was in reply to a question. Given the question, what did you expect him to say? “Alonso deserves it. I don’t” – he’s not gonna say that.

    • uan (@uan) said on 13th November 2012, 1:31

      all the drivers are fighting tooth and nail. But if you want to get down to it, how hard did Alonso fight in Abu Dhabi? He qualifies 7th. Moves up to 6th before the race even begins. At lights out Webber bogs down with a classic Webber start. Webber pushes Button wide into turn 1 allowing Alonso to come through into 5th. Alonso then drives by Webber on the back straight because he has a much longer 7th gear and higher top speed (that’s the car, not the driver). So now he’s in 4th. Maldonado suffers Kers issues and eventually can’t defend and now Alonso is up into 3rd. Then Hamilton’s car breaks down and Alonso is now running 2nd. So Vettel goes from pitlane to P3 all down to luck and car, but Alonso goes from P6 to P2 from brilliant driving, fighting tooth and nail. lol.

      • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 13th November 2012, 1:43

        @uan if there were more than you, DOTW in valencia would have gone to another driver. I agree 100% to you.
        People see luck only when they want and master driving when they want. I don’t think either Alonso or Vettel can win a single championship down to luck. Luck comes just if you are in the right spot at the right time to push for it,

      • @uan precisely; if one is to make comments about Vettel’s luck then first thy have to consider Alonso’s.

    • tigen (@tigen) said on 13th November 2012, 1:58

      Fernando Alonso always does the maximum. Whatever he does, it is the maximum, and whatever is maximum, he does.

      Fernando Alonso also never gives up. Fernando Alonso will keep on fighting. Other drivers, small names, would stay in bed, but not Fernando Alonso, because he is the maximum.

    • celeste (@celeste) said on 13th November 2012, 2:14

      @prisoner-monkeys I don´t see it. He is giving his oponent respect, with out taking away his own acomplishment…

      • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 13th November 2012, 2:44

        Fernando Alonso always does the maximum. Whatever he does, it is the maximum, and whatever is maximum, he does.

        Fernando Alonso also never gives up. Fernando Alonso will keep on fighting. Other drivers, small names, would stay in bed, but not Fernando Alonso, because he is the maximum.

        Don’t state the obvious mate. We all know that’s true already, but thanks for repeating it yet again and reminding the unaware. :D

    • Kimi4WDC said on 13th November 2012, 4:53

      How is inheriting points due to cars in front of you is harder than winning the race by being faster? Vettel had to do at least as many overtakes as Alonso this season – a quality ones too.

      It’s not called cynic, it’s called tunnel vision. But there is nothing wrong with it I guess, love is blindness.

      Sorry for pointing out the obvious.

    • John H (@john-h) said on 13th November 2012, 7:22

      Rubbish. Read tdog’s comment above for why. To be honest I’m fed up with the tired Alonso what a genius, Newey what a genius, Vettel what a lucky guy to have Newey line. It’s just a lazy point of view that doesn’t reflect Vettel also had to fight for most of this season. Dissapointed PM.

    • brny666 said on 13th November 2012, 14:07

      PM you used to be pretty rational about F1 and at any rate I used to enjoy your posts with views more balanced than most. However for the last couple of weeks you seemed to turn to Vettel bashing instead. I’m curious as to why that is?
      Anyway releating to the article, the points don’t lie and if you want to question Vettels championahip please question Alonsos, Schumchers Every other Newey WDC and Sennas, and Clarks and I’m sure there are plenty of others, (ie all of them)

    • javlinsharp (@javlinsharp) said on 13th November 2012, 16:04

      @prisoner-monkeys
      I dont know man, sounds like a bit of sour grapes on Vettles recent success.

      Why, on God’s green earth would an F1 driver, a type famously known for bravado and over confidence, suddenly start looking for an excuse to justify his success?

      Quite frankly, I am suprised he does not claim the full credit for his team and himself for the recent uptick, saying “this result was never in doubt”, and further expanding his own ego.

      Honestly, I think he passed up a good opportunity to pump himself and his team up tremendously. Though I am not a rabid Vettle fan, I must say these comments belie a humility and down-to-earth attitude that is attractive in a driver of his level.

    • stirper said on 14th November 2012, 11:14

      @prisoner-monkeys
      I totally agree and for me the best comment of the week… problem you have put it in the wrong place to be evaluated.

  5. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 13th November 2012, 1:23

    Call me a cynic too, but when half the people say an elephant is pink just for being stubborn, is it really pink? Velttel AND / OR Alonso deserve that title. What do people want Vettel to do to accept it? Probably he should severe one arm and one leg to drive, but probably some people would then say: “Well he has a less-weight advantage now!” Bring Karthikeyan or bring Paul di Resta to that RedBull, look at Webber, so people saying it’s an easy cruise are just keeping the blindfold

    • Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 13th November 2012, 2:52

      I agree. Even if you have a good car, it takes a supreme amount of effort to squeeze out every bit of speed and downforce from the equipment you have, and to do so nearly flawlessly. In that respect, both Vettel and Alonso are deserving champions, because they have done just that.

    • javlinsharp (@javlinsharp) said on 13th November 2012, 16:09

      @omarr-pepper

      You are completely wrong :-) There is a minimum weight floor for F1 Car/Driver combination. If Vettel were to chop off his arm and leg, they would have to add weight somewhere else on the car, so the advantage would be minimal at best. :-)

      I still agree with your sentiment though, because many would then argue that he had an unfair advantage in being able to locate that extra ballast as desired, changing the balance of the car…

      I will now disengage my sarcasm overdrive…

  6. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 13th November 2012, 1:32

    I don’t buy the “he didn’t deserve it” comment when talking about past champions. A notable case with Button. Yes, he lucked into a magnificient car, and yes he was not up there during the last bit of the championship, but he benefited from the best machine at his disposal and didn’t blow it. He won, fair and straight.

    I think every single world champion deserves his title. Some had it easier, some had to work hard until the very last lap, but they all deserved it.

    Who drove better each season? that’s a different question.

    • Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 13th November 2012, 1:58

      Couldn’t agree more with your comment. There’s no undeserving World Champions, but that is entirely different to stating who was the best driver that season. I guess these discussions of merit always come back in a way to the fact that it’s a car and a driver that make a Champion. Many people seem to forget this in their analysis!

      Who knows? Maybe Pedro de la Rosa has been driving the wheels off his HRT all season to no credit!

    • Girts (@girts) said on 13th November 2012, 8:25

      @fer-no65 Completely agree with you. Every F1 champion is a deserving champion, unless one can prove that he was a cheater or drove an illegal car. What is more, given the competitiveness of the field these days, Red Bull would have hired a better driver, if they believed that Vettel wasn’t one of the very best.

  7. OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 13th November 2012, 1:47

    Let’s do the rain dance! would be amazing won’t it? I’m looking forward to doing nothing this Sunday, except for, of course sit in front of the TV and put a DO NOT DISTURB sign at the door.

    • Kingshark (@kingshark) said on 13th November 2012, 2:27

      Let’s do the rain dance!

      I can’t dance, I’m so bad at it that I am embarrassed to do it in private let alone public. Yet here I am, dancing for rain because that’s how desperate I want to help Alonso here. :P

  8. Michael (@freelittlebirds) said on 13th November 2012, 2:26

    The cover of the Autosprint magazine is funny as hell! The current situation is nothing short of a shoot-out between them

  9. Scalextric (@scalextric) said on 13th November 2012, 3:24

    Lots of Force India related news today.
    And this http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/12/vijay-mallya-kingfisher-broke-india
    Not much motorsport content, but this snippet is provocative
    “Most people in India have never heard of motorsports and would have little interest in them even if they had.”

  10. GeeMac (@geemac) said on 13th November 2012, 5:11

    Interesting read that article on Austin. To be honest i don’t know a lot about Austin, but it does sound like an intersting place…seems very “un-Texan” based on that! I was quite taken by this line:

    “For a lot of us longtime Austinites, Formula One is hard to swallow,” City Council Member Chris Riley wrote in the Austin American-Statesman last year. “We’re not that big on fast cars; we’re more into hybrids, electric vehicles, bikes and public transit.”

    Maybe the organisers should be putting emphasis on technologies like KERS and the upcoming switch to smaller turbocharged engines with more emphasis on KERS and Thermal Energy Recovery Systems ni the build up to the race to get a few of the more sceptical locals onboard. Bling, yachts, parties, champagne, svelte grid girls and concerts may go down well when promoting races here in the Middle East but it doesn’t seem like all that is going to work in Austin. Change of approach needed methinks.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 13th November 2012, 7:25

      Fully agree. I think Austin fits perfectly with what the current path of the teams / FIA is on going forward.

      I do think that during all the meetings about allowing the track/supporting the race the organisers did point to these things, and to teams working on their carbon footprint.

      But surely the sport could have done far better here to highlight McLarens hi tech building going carbon neutral. Enstone having a almost fully solar powered CFD centre and off course the new engines going small volume but high power with turbo and hybrid technology.

      • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 13th November 2012, 9:00

        Exactly. There are a lot of missed opportunities on the “green front”.

        That said you could also tell the people of Austin about the damage that the mine which mines the nickel for their hybrid car batteries does to the environment and tell them to stop being so self-righteous! ;)

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 13th November 2012, 10:11

          Good point about the mines!

        • Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 13th November 2012, 10:30

          Pardon me for getting on my soapbox, but I’d like to mention: Over its entire lifespan – from construction (rare earth metal extraction, purification, shipping for use in the battery pack), use (actual driving) and disposal (recycling of parts, particularly in the battery pack) – a hybrid car will cause as much, if not much more environmental pollution than an equivalent internal combustion vehicle. Try telling that to the people of Austin!

          I’ve always thought that electric cars (with electricity produced by renewable sources) or hydrogen-powered vehicles are the wave of the future. I’m glad F1 is taking steps to further improve KERS technology, and FIA Formula E is a step in the right direction as well. I do agree that the “green side” of F1 needs to be promoted more often – aren’t McLaren and some other teams carbon neutral accredited companies?

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 13th November 2012, 10:49

            McLaren have been carbon neutral for 1-2 years now, I think Williams also got there earlier this year. And I understood Enstone is working towards that as well.
            A couple of years ago FOTA made it one of their key points to work towards this goal, not sure how all teams are at it now, but cutting down on windtunnel/cfd and testing would sure help.

          • GeeMac (@geemac) said on 13th November 2012, 11:50

            No need to apologise for getting your soapbox out @bobthevulcan, you are preaching to the choir methinks! ;)

  11. Dunno about Vettel, but Red Bull will certainly deserve the titles they get, despite the cars being on borderline legality in some races in mid-season. They were clearly handicapped by the loss of blown exhausts this year, but despite that, they’ve really managed to get their game up this season. They remind me of the early-2000s Ferrari, and this season was possibly like Ferrari’s 2003, where certain rule changes caught them out at the start of the season, but like true champions that they are, their habit of winning has kept them up. McLaren have been bad from the operational and developmental point of view, and despite locking out the front row in the first two races, they are now languishing in third in the Constructors’ behind Ferrari. The latter are a team always in damage control, which they do pretty well, but they must stop the damage from occurring in the first place.
    One question: if Red bull’s 2012 was like Ferrari’s 2003, will their 2013 be like Ferrari’s 2004? I shudder to think of the consequences. If that does happen, McLaren(1999-2013) will have equalled Ferrari’s Constructor’s drought(1984-1998).

  12. magon4 (@magon4) said on 13th November 2012, 6:58

    Alonso is only slightly ahead of Vettel this season, and Vettel has shown that he does deserve it.
    Here is some evidence.
    http://vimeo.com/52957114

  13. davros said on 13th November 2012, 7:16

    “I still believe that the driver who deserves it most will be champion”

    So despite taking the lead and having the best car Vettel still thinks Alonso will be champion…

  14. BasCB (@bascb) said on 13th November 2012, 7:22

    On the subject of Perez giving Mexicans hope - I read about how the Austin Bergstrom airport has upped its customs area for the race. Seems almost 2/3rd of the foreign flights is from Mexico (although many from Europe will probably be in “US” flights from having had a stop/transfer already)!

  15. Jason (@jason12) said on 13th November 2012, 7:33

    Vettel deserves to be a WDC, just like Paris Hilton deserves to be a billionaire.
    Inheritance doesn’t make you any less worthy.

    • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 13th November 2012, 8:06

      Well, I can see your point @jason12, apart from the fact that Paris Hilton is pretty good at staying in the limelight somehow – that’s a skill. Not one I particularly admire, but still, she’s putting quite a bit of effort into it.

      And Vettel, even if he had just inherited/gotten the title, to get it three times in a row shows some talent at taking opportunities when they present themselves. Every WDC needs to do that I think (look at Button, for example).

      Given that Vettel is also clearly a fast driver, good at getting that winning pole-lap in Q3, great at driving away when needed at the start, etc., and even showed (Spa this year f.e.) that he can certainly overtake when in the right mood, and has been doing this now for 4 years (okay, with clear mistakes in the 1st two, granted) to winning effect in 2 of them, at least getting 2nd in the two others if he doesn’t win it this year too, I’d say “inheriting” it is a bit too easy a way to think of what he did.

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