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  1. robbiepblake (@driftin) said on 24th March 2013, 9:43

    Until the Merc fuel / team orders issue, this was a 9/10 but the sight of the two Mercs coasting right next to each other was just awful. Vettel rebelling against the wishes of his bosses was exciting though. 7/10

    • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

      i dont see how this race is a 9/10 when u see that vettel or webber will be winning the race ever since lap 5!!!!! it is gonna be a boring season just like the seasons before.

      • Adam86 said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

        Except that wasn’t clear at all. Both mercs were quicker until fuel saving started (they closed right up having been several seconds behind after the first pit stops).

      • robbiepblake (@driftin) said on 24th March 2013, 9:50

        Untrue. Hamilton and Rosberg were contenders throughout, especially the middle section.

        Also there were a lot of battles, especially for the lead with the two RBRs, the Mercedes (before fuel saving / whatever it was), Massa vs Perez vs Raikkonen. It was a great race until the final ten laps.

        • Andrew (@bombinaround) said on 24th March 2013, 10:33

          I’d argue it is true, if they raced to the fuel load they had right from the get go, they wouldn’t have been anywhere near the Red Bulls come the end of the race.
          If they had more fuel on-board they would have been contenders

          • You really think this is true?

            u see that vettel or webber will be winning the race ever since lap 5

            Because I think it’s nonsense. Lap 5? Come on.

        • 72defender (@72defender) said on 24th March 2013, 17:12

          Also consider time Hamilton lost due to erroneous pit blunder. Those extra seconds would have made things that much closer.

      • Adam86 said on 24th March 2013, 9:51

        Except that wasn’t clear at all. The mercs were both quicker until fuel saving started and Hamilton had already passed one red bull at a pitstop with another to come.

        • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 9:58

          do u need anything more clear than the vettel passing hamilton easily, the mercs have good race pace but not enough to overtake any of the the redbulls and that is what i mean that the season is gonna be boring because they still can’t catch the luckiest driver seb vettel, maybe he has gods blessing more than other people i dont know , but that’s too much, had a little error in pits but still the car managed to win, do u need any better car and luck?

          • JCost (@jcost) said on 24th March 2013, 10:02

            Vettel DRSed him, not “easily”.

          • Adam86 said on 24th March 2013, 10:08

            I’m not sure how Vettel passing Hamilton using DRS whilst Hamilton is on his lightest fuel mix proves anything.

            The Mercs were 8 seconds behind at the start of the dry section and caught right up, including Hamilton passing Vettel. Then fuel saving very clearly started, and that was that. Unless you knew the fuel load, you can’t pretend it was an obvious Red Bull win without verging on trolling.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 10:14

            @ramysennaf1 – Driver wins 27 races, solution: scream about “luck” and “car” in every post. Okay…

          • caci99 (@caci99) said on 24th March 2013, 10:48

            @david-a what’s going to happen when that number of wins will increase? “Luck” and “car” is already very much used. :) Another word needs to be found.

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 24th March 2013, 15:22

            As we could never be sure the Red Bulls tyres would actually last good enough I never felt sure they would win it until the Mercedes got more involved between the two of them than getting close to the Bulls really @ramysennaf1

      • SoLiDG (@solidg) said on 24th March 2013, 10:25

        If you think it was clear redbull would win… Then I would suggest you watch an F1 race with live timing next to the feed.. It brings some excitement and a better insight!

      • I rated it 3. I could rated it 0 for all the team arrangements. ******** GP. It got me the intention to close the TV when next race comes. Really bad sensation. Hate it!

      • maestrointhesky (@maestrointhesky) said on 24th March 2013, 22:30

        Tyres are now having the exact opposite effect of their original intention. Noone can make them last on the limit of the cars performance so everyone drives at 80%. The sooner Pirrelli leave the sport the better!

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 24th March 2013, 9:59

      Merc fuel issue just killed the race. I understand that Lewis too was a victim but it cost some points to Rosberg.

      Looking foward to China.

      • Joshua Mesh (@joshua-mesh) said on 24th March 2013, 10:05

        Its not a fuel issue. Its just that Lewis borrowed fuel that was meant for the later part of the race, to set fast laptimes early on. Why Rosberg had to pay the price, who knows? All this tells us is that the race between those two will from now on be about who has track position after both have made their final stops.

        • so it is a fuel issue

          • no it isn’t. when you use higher fuel rate, the car became faster, but consumption became greater. When Rosberg never changed it during the race, it cost him enough when he told to back off.

        • JCost (@jcost) said on 24th March 2013, 10:18

          @joshua-mesh I don’t think so. Lewis and Nico lap times were similar early on the race. Apparently Hamilton was under fueled.

          • mosbourne1122 (@mosbourne1122) said on 24th March 2013, 10:47

            How about looking at the big picture? Where were Mercedes last year with Schumacher and Rosberg? This is just the second race of the season with the Rosberg and Hamilton and they finished 3/4..Surely that’s got to be a good thing..another unrelated point..its good to see Whitmarsh and Mclaren still making the same mistakes..!! Lol..what a joke..!!

        • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th March 2013, 10:21

          Considering that he was saving fuel for about half the race, and still had to really coast at the end, I would guess that there was a problem on Hamilton’s car or he was fuelled much lighter than Rosberg, presumably by accident.

      • SOhaib said on 24th March 2013, 10:28

        Mercedes team-orders saga really killed the race. But i am more worried by the reaction!!! Remember Hockenheim 2010, and they all pounced on Ferrari even though half the season had passed, and today in just the 2nd race of the season, Merc has told us who is their number1 driver by robbing Nico.

        With Nick Fry out and all the management changes i think it is now perfectly clear that Merc want the team to be around Lewis only.

        Merc were my favourite b4 today but i have started hating them from today….

      • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 10:29

        @Dizzy-A -vettel didn’t cement himself yet as a racing great, and his entitlement behavior doesn’t help it either, don’t fool yourself, we’ll see when he drives a slower car and less reliable one like the others . plus, i’ll keep saying luck and car till i see competitive driving in f1 btw 3 teams.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 10:52

          @ramysennaf1 -

          Vettel has driven a “slower car” earlier in his career. He still proved to be consistent and a race winner.

          And 2010 and 2012 were competitive seasons between at least 3 teams. Vettel won both.

          • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

            three teams but managing to win it with no excitement in the last two races, it was home and dry before that,maybe 2011 was a bit end to end in the last race at yas marina but that was about it, when alonso had tyre problems.

          • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 11:13

            sorry not the last race, the one before brazil,where alonso couldn’t get past 6th as i recall.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 11:47

            @ramysennaf1 – It was Abu Dhabi where Alonso finished 7th and lost the title, when he couldn’t get beyond the Renaults or Rosberg. And he didn’t have “tyre problems” in that race.

            Whether there was excitement (in your opinion) in the final 2 races is irrelevant- you said Vettel should win in a season with at least 3 competitive frontrunners, and he has done. In fact, Button, Alonso, Raikkonen and Hamilton’s titles came in years with 2 frontrunning teams at most.

    • Nick.UK (@) said on 24th March 2013, 10:29

      Yeah I agree. I felt very bad for Nico. It seems easy to get stuck in a vicious cycle of points decline when team orders are used. You have less points so you get told to stay behind, you stay behind and loose more points to your team mate – team orders become all the more likely. It’s especially bad for Nico seeing as his points deficet to Lewis occured as a result of a mechanical retirement at the last and only race that has happened so far this season. However, it made sense for Mercedes to bring the cars home safely. That said, it was still harsh. It’s not like Rosberg couldn’t had just breezed past on the far side of the track to Lewis while using DRS. It’s not like it is impossible to pass safely…

      As for Vettel… well… Frankly he disgusts me! How a driver can be so arrogant and display such an obvious feeling of self importance literally makes me wretch at the sight of him. His early message about Mark being slow was disgraceful. If he is that slow then OVERTAKE HIM on track yourself you stupid ****!

      I think Mark was far more gracious than he needed to be on the podium. I’m glad that even Helmut Marko said he went too far dissobeying the team like that.

      As for what will happen next… lets just say that Mark has no reason to listen to team orders the next time it happens.

      • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 10:43

        his comment about mark sums it up for me, i also see others agreeing on that, he thinks the world of f1 revolves around him.

      • panache (@panache) said on 24th March 2013, 10:52

        Mark really dealt with this situation admirably so far in my opinion. He didn’t slander the team or throw his toys out of the pram when Vettel confronted him at podium ceremony but still managed to make his point sternly when he mentioned that Vettel would get “protection” from the team.

        Red Bull will have to be seen publically at least to discipline Vettel now. He has to acknowledge that the team comes first and foremost, otherwise they are likely to have a situation where both drivers ignore team orders entirely, as why should Webber adhere if Vettel does not and gets away with it.

        Wow. Just watched the post race individual interviews with Webber and Vettel on Sky Sports after writing the above. Really feel for Webber after that. Never seen him so emotional, you could see he wanted to explode but he’s being so mature about it. Respect.

        What the hell at what Vettel said though? He basically said that he wasn’t told that Webber turned his engine down and had backed off. That will cause even more hurt for Webber after being assured twice that Vettel would not pass him.

        It will be very interesting to see how this plays out. Not sure how to interpret Webber’s comment about not being sure if the medicine is enough.

    • Gloomiest podium I have ever seen….

      • Vyacheslav (@vyacheslav) said on 24th March 2013, 11:13

        And one of the worst race I’ve seen since 1990 when I started watch this sport.
        It is simply embarrassing.

      • artificial racer said on 26th March 2013, 21:53

        Yeah, you want to see teammates racing each other. Parading home in lockstep for 15-20 laps is such a ****** finale that it ruins the whole race. Nobody feels good after that.

    • Raul (@sennahakkham) said on 24th March 2013, 11:25

      I thought the race was very exiting and emotional. The Jury is still out on Mercedes because we dont know Rosbergs fuel situation.
      1 But we do know all drivers want to beat their teammate the most.
      2 Espacialy for the last podium position.
      3 Espacialy if your last race resulted in no pointless.

      Also think most drivers would lobby their team for own cause.
      Hamilton should not have said anything without the facts first. Also if the teamboss loses controll over its drivers the situation can quickly turn ugly Vettel Redbull style.

    • Bleeps_and_Tweaks (@bleeps_and_tweaks) said on 24th March 2013, 11:33

      Agree with the sentiment, but I put this race up at 9/10. There was some fantastic racing today, people seem to be skipping over that.
      The Vet vs Web battle was fascinating, and is hugely controversial. I know this won’t be popular, but I’ve got more respect for Vettel after today. He knew he could win it, and he made sure he did. It shows a more ruthless side to his racing character. This is a competitive sport after all.
      Mercedes pushed the Red Bulls for 80% of the race and looked at one point like they could win it. Raikkonen vs Hulkenberg was great. Mclaren are already looking quicker, but yet more systems issues…
      The list goes on, there’s so much to talk about, that’s why I’ve gone for a 9.
      Whatever your thoughts about Ros vs Ham, it didn’t actually affect the race that much, and Rosberg’s classy response in interviews reflected that he knew that was the case, the bigger picture is that both Mercedes cars were pushing the Red Bulls at one of their ‘home’ grand prix, and brought home great points.
      I was a bit bemused by the high marks given on here last week, I went for 6, it seems judging by the comments below I might be a bit out of synch again!

      • I agree completely, there WAS fantastic racing but it wasn’t just the team orders that dampened the race in the end. The two Force Indias retired, and they looked like they had good pace, and Jenson Button retired and I believe he had the pace to possibly challenge Hamilton and Rosberg. The last 10 or so laps were a procession, but everything up to that was fantastic.

    • Ean (@ean) said on 24th March 2013, 11:51

      Blackday for F1 when team orders becomes most important . Its like fixing a football or cricket match .

      • Totally agree. I was more put off by Mercedes than Vettel. Rosberg should not be penalised because Hamilton ran his fuel low (or was mistakenly fuelled low with the expectation of a safety car). I was praying Lewis ran out of fuel on the last lap at least for simple justice. Rosberg could easily have overtaken safely. Hamiton is the one being protected – just sucks.

      • John H (@john-h) said on 24th March 2013, 17:35

        It would only be like fixing football if the same team played each other. F1 is both a team and an individual sport, thats part of its appeal…well it is for me anyway.

  2. Disgusting, utterly disgusting.

    • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 24th March 2013, 10:00

      As a Mark Webber fan, I’m unhappy but not because the way it happened but because of the result. Mark lost a race…

      I think in the end Mark did amaizingly to try and keep Vettel behind. It was already a tough job considering it’s 2 DRS zones one after the other. How he defended after his stop and then just before losing the lead was amaizing. And mindblowing considering they are team mates.

      He’s not happy. But that’s the way it should be. The podium conferece said it all. Good for Vettel to step on it (as Mark himself did in Silverstone 2011) and good for Mark to speak his mind. Better luck next time, we already know Seb’s the star within the team, and it’s up to him to fight as hard as today.

      That’s what F1 should be. You got both ends of the string today: Red Bull and Mercedes. Red Bull, while unhappy I guess between bosses, do the right thing. Mercedes was a disgrace… Rosberg could’ve easily passed him… was it his fault Lewis was underfueled? defo not, so sod it.

      • Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 24th March 2013, 10:01

        It also seemed at Mercedes that they didn’t want to spoil “their star” today. I mean, they did a lot to bring Lewis to the team, and to demote him to 4th… wouldn’t have been cool ! :P

        • if there’s a vacancy in Lotus or McLaren next year, Nico should apply. I feel sorry for him.

        • ben (@dubaemon) said on 25th March 2013, 0:46

          please guys look at the graphs about the race and you ll see hamilton was in front safely before being told to back off. the team made a mistake with his fuel so they did not want to take his position away. Anyway team orders will always be awkward because we enjoy racers during the race . but remember that prior to races hundreds of people have worked their socks off and they deserve points and respect. I do not like T.O. but they are part of the sport and snotty rebel vettel was direspectful but that makes him human and so much more interesting than the usual PR world of F1. the battle with mark was amazing, we don;t see that at all races. Coulthard was very reflective and spot on.

      • TK (@oeuribe) said on 24th March 2013, 10:07

        Probably Webber is not unhappy about Vettel just passing him, Mark probably had a lot of pace that he saved in the previous stints but knowing that the team had asked them to “bring the car home” he would need to just cruise arround. Then, it is not just a matter of Vettel going arround him, the problem is that just one of RB drivers actually play according to plan while the other took an “unfair” advantage.

        Clearly I am not sure about this, but I guess that for all RB team to be so unhappy with a victory, the big picture must be bigger than just a move.

        • TK (@oeuribe) said on 24th March 2013, 10:27

          Continuing with this line of tought, when Vettel said to the team “Webber is to slow, get him ou of the way” this message probably found is way to Webber who answered by opening a 4s gap in the following laps. I know that this is not conclusive, but probably Webber just feels that he has been disrespected on multiple ocassions.

          And we cannot just watch the gap that VET put on WEB at the end of the race, we cannot know what that unnecesary battle did to a fresh set of hards (which probably haven’t been heating quickly as the race had already been “decided”). I am not a fan of neither VET or WEB, but I believe in F1 as a team sport.

      • I don’t care if Webber lost it or not. Since I’m not a fan-boy that’s not the source of my disgust, my disgust comes from the “sucker punch”. Fighting is on fair grounds.

      • Magnificent Geoffrey (@magnificent-geoffrey) said on 24th March 2013, 10:31

        @fer-no65 Excellent comment. I agree with you entirely.

      • @fer-no65 Agree with you completely, it was Mark Webbers race today… Only yesterday we were talking about his poor start, but boy what a start today…

        Its a shame Vettel won today, but for me Mark is the winner… And you could see in Vettels behavior that he did wrong…

      • DVC (@dvc) said on 24th March 2013, 11:03

        The contrast between what happened with the Red Bull and Mercedes drivers was striking.

        At Red Bull both Mark and Vettel were capable of going quick at the end. They were a little ahead of their rivals and both were given orders to conserve car and fuel to the end, probably a little unnecessarily. Webber heeded those orders. Vettel disobeyed them and passed Mark. He may not have been able to pass if Mark had been expecting a fight and run a harder pace.

        At Mercedes Hamilton was so close on fuel he had to slow right down on the last lap. Brawn told Rosberg they were both capable of going faster, but it certainly seemed that Rosberg had the superior car at that point. Perhaps he’d saved his fuel a little better than his team mate.

        I think both teams made bad calls. This is race 2 of the season. They should have kept their drivers informed of the situation, but let them race to the end.

        Once team orders were issued though, the right thing to do is to follow them. You’d have to feel like you’re the victim of a significant injustice to go against those orders.

        Rosberg had it explained to him that both drivers were under orders to slow till the end. He stayed close in case something happened but ultimately followed the orders he was given. Vettel did the opposite when, in my opinion, he had less cause than Rosberg.

        • panache (@panache) said on 24th March 2013, 12:18

          I think both teams made bad calls. This is race 2 of the season. They should have kept their drivers informed of the situation, but let them race to the end.

          It raises the question, is it actually likely to cause more damage to teams in the long run to impose team orders when they are not strictly necessary, so early in the season?

          I can understand the obvious appeal of using team orders early doors with a pairing such as Alonso/Massa based on previous form with one teammate being vastly more competitive than the other. It just makes logical sense, especially after Alonso missed out on the drivers championship by the smallest of margins twice in the last three seasons. It is however perhaps no coincidence that the beginning of Massa’s long slump in form corresponds with the infamous “Felipe, Fernando is faster than you” episode.

          I seriously question the merits of applying team orders so early with the Vettel/Webber pairing given the relative competitiveness of both drivers. Webber could have easily taken the title instead of Vettel in 2010. In 2012 Webber led Vettel in the championship for much of the season. Sure, Vettel has won the previous three drivers championships but in my opinion, the team should be very convinced that their pseudo number 1 driver will outperform the other in order to justify the risk of irreperable damage to relationships potentially caused by imposing team orders like this.

          Is this a case of teams being too smart for their own good trying to play the long game, when if they would just let it play out naturally there would be no bad blood between the teammates? A race ending collision between teammates is obviously something the teams wish to avoid, but it’s worth debating that a breakdown in relationship as a consequence of team orders is a much greater risk to the team in the long run.

          Do the teams really have such a lack of faith in their drivers, that they believe the drivers need to be mollycoddled in order to avoid a potential catastrophic collision that takes both out of the race despite the massive potential repercussions?

          Ok we have the precedent of Turkey 2010, but other than that there is little in the way of evidence to suggest that team orders are necessary in order to avoid serious problems between teammates on track in recent years. The Hamilton/Button pairing at Mclaren coped fine without them and they had multiple bouts of close but fair racing between them at the front of the field. Their relationship as teammates remained intact.

          As for the case of Mercedes, I really don’t understand the decision, especially given that this is a brand new driver pairing. It’s not like they’ve been racing in the same team together for years and one driver has proven to be significantly better than the other. They now have to deal with an awkward self inflicted precedent whereby whichever driver is leading at the last pitstop automatically gets preference whilst the other driver is told to follow in his wake, even if he has much more pace. This is not a good scenario by any stretch of the imagination. All this just to ensure that they could achieve a 3-4 finish in the race. Is it really worth it? Why not trust your drivers not to take each other out instead?

          Both teams should have just risked the potential collision of teammates in my opinion. The negative repercussions are big if a collision occurs but ultimately the team and drivers will be able to deal with such an event and move on from it and it’s unlikely to happen often. On the contrary, a situation where one driver betrays the trust of another by ignoring team orders or feels that his teammate is being given preferential treatment is far more emotionally difficult to deal with and can leave wounds in a relationship which may never heal sufficiently.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 13:46

            Webber could have easily taken the title instead of Vettel in 2010.

            Which would have been off he back of terrible reliability for Vettel’s car, and near perfect reliability for Webber’s.

            Webber is more competitive than Massa, when compared to his teammate, but not to an overwhelming extent.

          • plushpile (@plushpile) said on 24th March 2013, 23:08

            Webber could have easily taken the title instead of Vettel in 2010.

            Which would have been off he back of terrible reliability for Vettel’s car, and near perfect reliability for Webber’s.

            Webber is more competitive than Massa, when compared to his teammate, but not to an overwhelming extent.

            We’ve seen in the race one of the potential reasons for Seb’s increased unreliability over Mark – his refusal to heed messages from the team to slow down and manage his car home.
            It’s clear that this happens regularly with Seb frequently asking Rocky what the Fastest Lap is in the closing stages of the race for example.

          • AdrianMorse (@adrianmorse) said on 25th March 2013, 11:39

            Great comment, @panache. The Mercedes team order were especially puzzling as it seemed neither driver was very happy with them. If Brawn hadn’t imposed, Hamilton would have been disappointed to lose the race because of fuel saving, but no more. Now, it will be awkward if Rosberg and Hamilton get close to each other by the end of a race.

          • panache (@panache) said on 26th March 2013, 0:51

            @adrianmorse Thanks, although I realize now that the third paragraph in my comment doesn’t really make sense in this instance as it was the pseudo number 1 driver who was supposed to hold position behind his teammate on this occasion. :)

            The fact that Rosberg was so much faster than Hamilton in this race makes the issue of team orders at Mercedes even more confounding. I think it is evident that Rosberg could have easily passed Hamilton in the DRS zone(s) with very low chance of contact or a long drawn out battle between them. Once Rosberg was passed he would have pulled away quickly and both drivers could then settle into fuel saving again.

            I find it interesting that people think adhering to team orders demonstrates trust and respect for the team principle because team orders could be interpreted from the opposite perspective as demonstrative that the team principle doesn’t have enough trust or respect in his drivers to keep things clean on track.

            It also occured to me retrospectively that the failed attempt to impose team orders at Red Bull might actually have caused a higher risk of the drivers taking each other out as Webber in particular was clearly fuming at the betrayal when suddenly Vettel was all over him trying to overtake. He was very stern in his defence on track until he apparently backed out of it and allowed Vettel to pass him instead of cutting him off on the outside.

    • ivz (@ivz) said on 24th March 2013, 10:05

      Really don’t feel the best after watching that race. A real ugly feeling…

    • imarlab (@imarlab) said on 24th March 2013, 10:06

      Could’nt agree more.

      My first 1.

      Pathetic, RedBull, pathetic. Even worse than the sad Fernando is faster than you incident…

    • AldoG said on 24th March 2013, 10:33

      Disgusting, utterly disgusting.

      +1. Only the second race of the season and F1 marked a new low. If I were at the track, I would ask my money back.

    • FLIG (@flig) said on 24th March 2013, 10:34

      Indeed, it makes me think perhaps I waste my time watching F1 races.

  3. Wish Rosberg had done the same! he was robbed.

    • Traverse (@) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

      Ham is the No.1 driver though, so Rosberg will have to get used to it.

      • Nico robbed off a podium place. Shame on the team, but that’s not unusual when the team principal is Ross Brawn.

        • David BR2 said on 24th March 2013, 10:49

          I just don’t get this. Rosberg robbed because he wasn’t handed the place by Hamilton? Rosberg was asking to be let past after he’d tried to pass and hadn’t been able to make it stick.

          At some point the team also had to point out that they were low on fuel (both drivers probably) and that continually racing each other would be risky for the team and them. This reminds me of when Button went past Hamilton when the latter had followed team orders to turn down his engine setting – and was caught by surprise (but defended successfully). I get the feeling Rosberg may have been genuinely faster, as Hamilton acknowledged as such, but still I don’t see why anyone should be annoyed he didn’t get a free pass on Hamilton after failing to race past.

        • mosbourne1122 (@mosbourne1122) said on 24th March 2013, 10:57

          Hmmm..I am no Ross Braun fan, but..but this guy has an amazing record..am certain also him being at Mercedes had a bearing on Hamilton joining them..So unless you know what you’re talking about please refrain from commenting..now if your talking about Whitmarsh my answer would be totally different..since he has been at Mclaren there has been a steady decline..Whereas the aforementioned Braun there has been an improvement..but that’s just my point of view..there iss a big difference today..The red bull team didn’t do as they were told but the Mercedes did..in the end its about the team..Vettel as 2 world championships you can’t argue about that but..but …but what an ass!!

          • @mosbourne1122: This guy has an amazing record because he is good with all the politics. He knows how to get things done politically, which is contrary to sportsmanlike. I know what I’m talking about, I can say what I want to, I don’t have to refrain if it is not to your liking, go around the page you’ll find many people saying the same stuff as me.
            Respect to Lewis for repairing damage.

            Oh and yes, I’ll give you the fact that Rosberg being a compliant driver did not pull a Vettel on Webber today. From that pov, the entire Merc unit is better than the Bulls.

      • Adam86 said on 24th March 2013, 9:53

        Yup – Not wasting points on the number 2 driver is a big reason he left Mclaren – Like it or not, Alonso shows the way you need to operate if you want to win, given the tightness at the top nowadays.

        • Traverse (@) said on 24th March 2013, 9:55

          +1

        • Blackbox (@blackbox) said on 24th March 2013, 10:09

          It is easy to understand team orders in latter part of the season, but it’s only 2nd race for this year and Merc already applying team orders?

          Rosberg was taking better care of his car and team was practically lying to him during the race as they justified the decision by telling that “Lewis could also go faster” while Lewis barely made it to the end.

          This is not good for F1.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th March 2013, 10:23

            I didn’t see any evidence for Rosberg taking better care of his car.

          • Alex (@smallvizier) said on 24th March 2013, 10:32

            @matt90, the evidence is that Hamilton was out of fuel, but Rosberg had some to spare.

            Hamilton blew all of his – presumably by running high engine modes for half a GP. Rosberg managed to keep up without doing that. But he wasn’t allowed to take advantage.

          • Kully said on 24th March 2013, 10:40

            Brawn has come out and said there was a fuel problem on Hamilton’s car. Ham didn’t enjoy this podium at all.

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th March 2013, 10:43

            That means you’re assuming that they definitely had the same fuel level and that Hamilton didn’t have a problem which increased his consumption. If it is all down to engine modes, then you are right and the pressure of running in the dirty air clearly required a lot more fuel. However, that is still not necessarily a case of ‘Rosberg taking better care of his car.’ That is a case of ‘Rosberg was in a position to afford turning a switch on his wheel down a notch.’ But until we hear more, nobody knows exactly why Hamilton needed to save so much, and that is why Rosberg having more fuel left is not evidence.

          • mosbourne1122 (@mosbourne1122) said on 24th March 2013, 11:05

            I just think its good to see Mercedes competing nearer the front of the grid..its only the second race of the season with the new pairing..Mercedes leave this weekend in much better shape than Red Bull..lets see how the season pans out..although there is no doubt currently and for some time now Red Bull are the team to beat..Rosberg did as he was told..Hamilton did as he was told..when you’re part of a team that’s the way it got to be..Lets hope its the beginning of the end for the Red Bull Dominance..I agree with one of the previous comments its boring otherwise…

  4. Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 24th March 2013, 9:46

    1. In my mind Webber won this race in front of Rosberg.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

      @cyclops_pl – How did Webber win this race? Vettel took him fair and square.

      • Traverse (@) said on 24th March 2013, 9:50

        It was a brilliant battle between the two Bulls!

      • Cyclops_PL (@cyclops_pl) said on 24th March 2013, 9:51

        Yes, and suddenly after Seb’s whining he started to lap 1-1.2 secons slower.

        • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 9:57

          @cyclops_pl – What, so according to you, Vettel complaining that Webber was slower is a crime, but Rosberg wanting Hamilton out of the way is fine (and deserving of 2nd place ahead of Ham)?

          • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th March 2013, 10:29

            I think those were 2 very different phases of the race. When Vettel complained on the radio (which was long before Webber turned his engine down and Vettel was presumably told to do the same), we don’t know if he’d been told to hold station or if both were actually pushing to their maximum and Vettel just wanted a favour passing. Rosberg’s was different as we know the full circumstances.

      • zicasso (@zicasso) said on 24th March 2013, 10:18

        @ david-a
        I wouldn’t call it fair when you are asked to switch your engine to coast to the end of the race and your team mate ignores that fact. Exciting battle tho.

        • brny666 said on 24th March 2013, 10:37

          If Webber had his engine turned down he had plenty of time to turn it back on, Vettel did not overtake him in a single moment of blistering speed, he was coming at him, than tried once did not work than tried again on next lap, plenty of time for Webber to mumbojumbo the engine power back on.

      • Thecollaroyboys (@thecollaroyboys) said on 24th March 2013, 10:42

        After webber turned his engine down.

    • Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 24th March 2013, 9:58

      @cyclops_pl – the team orders were actually against Vettel, so Vettel did it on his own initiative and superior pace. Don’t you like seeing proper, fair fights?

      • Aimal (@aimalkhan) said on 24th March 2013, 10:04

        The most awkward podium ever?

      • tandrews (@tomand95) said on 24th March 2013, 10:06

        I don’t see it as a fair fight when both drivers are told to turn down their engines and manage tyres and seb goes out does a quick out lap when the team has told him to match a target lap time. Teams orders have ruined this race in my mind especially with mercedes as well.

      • @vettel1 You don’t see it do you. Red Bull lays down the strategy, when Vettel is leading Vettel gets the victory and the other way around, besides it not always happen the other way around. The problem here is that Red bull and Mark Webber raced the way they raced because they knew that the other side of the garage wouldn’t attack when they were vulnerable, because many times during the race they put each other in less than perfect conditions, the difference is that Webber follows the team and Vettel just sucker punches at any chance. If you want to fight, do it cleanly from the get-go.

        • @peartree – nobody was stopping Webber from fighting back, but he fell way back towards the end of the race. Webber could’ve easily just turned up the pace if he was capable of doing so but he wasn’t, so it worked out well in the end didn’t it?

          • don’t you remember Red Bull problem with tyre? favouritism biased your view, mate.

          • DVC (@dvc) said on 24th March 2013, 11:07

            How do you know he wasn’t capable?

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 15:01

            @dvc Since he didn’t chase after Vettel.

          • DVC (@dvc) said on 24th March 2013, 22:24

            @david-a that doesn’t mean he couldn’t. It just means that he continued to do what the team told him to do: run with the engine turned down.

          • @vettel1 The team had already told Mark that Vettel wouldn’t attack, so he was on the hards and in savings mode, that said It really doesn’t matter if Seb was faster or not.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th March 2013, 10:25

            @dvc – He had plenty of time to chase after Vettel. There was the way he had to defend off Vettel after his stop, for starters.

          • DVC (@dvc) said on 25th March 2013, 10:46

            @david-a: Yes, he defended the position vigorously after coming out of the pits, and managed to do it on cold tyres. If you’ve been following the details, then that’s usually the point at which if team orders are going to be issued then that’s the last chance. Orders are usually issued after the last pit stop. So both drivers were going to give it everything.

            After that both were told to ease off. Webber did. Vettel didn’t. That’s what they’ve said. Once Vettel had overtaken there is no evidence to suggest that Webber pushed on to get the position back. On the contrary it seems he maintained the engine map he was ordered to use, even though Vettel passed him. Maybe he thought Vettel was going to run out of fuel, but his pace didn’t change from when he was told to turn the engine down.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 25th March 2013, 12:00

            @dvc – But why stick so rigidly to team orders, when the other guy wasn’t doing so? Did Webber have no fuel in reserve (while Vettel did)?

          • DVC (@dvc) said on 25th March 2013, 12:10

            @david-a This is going to sound silly to you, but I think it is in keeping with Webber’s character: I think he was making a point to the team. He was saying, I can follow orders.
            If he had raced with Vettel after he overtook him, they would just of said well they were both racing. This way he keeps the moral high ground.

        • +1
          I lost respect for Seb. Because when Webber got instruction, no matter what in the end he obey it (although still angry).
          2011 Silverstone? Mark could have passed Seb, but in the end he didn’t.

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 11:00

            @adityafakhri – The fact that he didn’t pass isn’t necessarily because because he was obeying team orders.

          • Drago (@ivanleva) said on 24th March 2013, 11:19

            Vettel was doing the right thing, trying to pass Webber, but team orders are important so Vettel was not fair with Webber and his team.
            Was a shame not to see the real pace of Alonso’s ferrari

          • firstLapNutcaseGrosjean (@) said on 24th March 2013, 11:28

            @david-a @vettel1
            “After the last stop the team told me the race was over and we turned the engine down to go to the end,” said Webber.
            This didn’t happend with Vettel in Silverstone. So, if Webber is right, and I think it is, then obvious, the battle wasn’t fair. Plus, you can’t say Vettel is fair, after he said to the radio to let him pass, because Webber is slow(so slow that he put another second gap between them).

          • Dirk (@dirk993) said on 25th March 2013, 10:46

            http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/12/06/briatore-joins-montezemolo-in-criticising-schumacher/

            “The only one who helped Ferrari was Webber,” he added, referring to Vettel’s Red Bull teammate Mark Webber, who is in Briatore’s management stable.

            That should’ve been enough to get Webber out of the RB cockpit.

        • smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 24th March 2013, 10:39

          Yeah i agree vettel clearly break the instructions given to him,it was clear from the post race interview with horner and marko , gloves are off now I dont think vettel get any more favors from webber

  5. Aimal (@aimalkhan) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

    Why should Nico suffer for because of Hamiltons fuel issues?

    • robbiepblake (@driftin) said on 24th March 2013, 9:52

      It was disappointing but let this thing die down a bit and get all the facts first. For all we know, Rosberg probably had the same issues.

    • John H (@john-h) said on 24th March 2013, 17:47

      Agreed, he should have been allowed to pass Hamilton and have a go at the bulls. It was a poor decision by Brawn but nothing Lewis could have done… had he have let him through that would have been disobeying Brawn himself- not the thing to do in your 2nd race for the team.

      Bad call by Merc, especially as the difference between 3rd and 4th is not that great anyway.

  6. panache (@panache) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

    9/10

    Amazing racing

    Only negatives Button/Mclaren pitstop woes and team orders for Ros/Ham and Vet/Web.

  7. adamtys (@adamtys) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

    team orders ruined fight for third and whole race. 6/10

  8. David-A (@david-a) said on 24th March 2013, 9:47

    7/10

    Good job (eventually) by Vettel. The wheel to wheel scrap between the RBRs was the highlight.
    Rosberg should have just DRS’d Hamilton on the final lap if he wanted 3rd so badly.
    Shame about Alonso. Massa woke up in the closing stages.

  9. Mark (@marlarkey) said on 24th March 2013, 9:48

    The first half was good but apart from a few incidents the latter part of the race was a bit of a dull anti-climax.

    6 overall

  10. Sviatoslav Andrushko (@) said on 24th March 2013, 9:48

    But race itself was pretty exciting.

  11. frenchfrog said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

    teams orders ruin the race : it a shame !!!!!

    • Tasimana said on 24th March 2013, 10:19

      Agreed. This makes F1 hard to admire. You heard Webber basically admit Vettel ignored team protocol re the guy in front and webber was coasting to victory looking after his tyres and fuel but Vettel thought stuff it. No one was happy on that podium

  12. panache (@panache) said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

    Did Button make 1 less stop than the Mercs and Red Bulls? He had great pace after the pitstop blunder. Would he have been in the mix for a podium, or dare I say it, even a potential win?

  13. Traverse (@) said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

    McLaren clearly haven’t learnt their lesson from the 2011 British GP. Yet more pitstop issues -_-

  14. strunk27 (@strunk27) said on 24th March 2013, 9:49

    Weak… 4/10 from me. Maybe I’m being too harsh but there was way more politics in this race than I could handle. I respect seb as a driver and think he’s an amazing talent, but I don’t like his attitude and his sense of entitlement.

    • ramy (@ramysennaf1) said on 24th March 2013, 9:53

      great comment

      • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 24th March 2013, 10:13

        mark did the same thing in silverstone 2011, u cant hack at Seb for anything, you can only say thanks for both of them giving us the best battle in the last couple of years

        • John H (@john-h) said on 24th March 2013, 17:56

          If you can’t ‘hack’ him for anything, then perhaps you can tell me why he apologised?

          • MNM101 (@mnm101) said on 24th March 2013, 20:13

            @john-h It’s just PR talk, I think he never should have apologized, and i don’t believe and in fact hope he didn’t mean what he said.
            It wasn’t fair towards him for the team to order him to relinquish a victory, it’s just the second race and they both have equal chances for the WDC, so why tell them to hold position ?
            If people are going to say tyres, Well Seb was on mediums and Mark on Hards, , and Seb took better care of them and had more pace, and if mark was worried about his tyres then he shouldn’t of battled him.
            It all comes down to the team being at fault for putting both of them in this position of guaranteeing results before the race is over, or even begun.
            Also the whole thing with Mark having his engine turned down, Seb passed him in two laps, not within a flash, so he had plenty of time to adjust.
            I think Sebastian did the right move, provided us with great racing(from both of them), and IMO Mark would have done the same as his history with defying team orders proves this.
            Thanks to Mark’s sense of entitlement and everyone backing him because he’s the “underdog”, and stupid RB PR this thing was blown way out of proportion, which deprived Seb from enjoying a thoroughly deserved win

    • brny666 said on 24th March 2013, 10:44

      Sense of entitlement (all race drivers have it) is what Webber felt when he came in 2nd at the end. Vettel was faster as usual is all.
      If the positions were reversed and Webbo had done the same people would glorify him and call Vettel a whining little *****. Goes to show peoples general dislike of the guy. Yes he was ruthless and ruthless wins Championships (of witch Vettel has 3), always has always will. He should be

  15. Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 24th March 2013, 9:50

    Good battles up and down the field, and no shortage of dicy moments as well, particularly around the pit exit and Turn One. However, the Vettel/Webber and Rosberg/Hamilton disputes were disappointing, and did take the sheen off the race for me. Overall, a solid 7.

    • @bobthevulcan – I wasn’t bothered by the former because the team orders were just ignored anyway but the latter I agree was quite disappointing, especially considering Hamilton himself admitted Rosberg was faster (although whether that was just to salvage the relationship I don’t know).

      • Aldoid said on 24th March 2013, 10:55

        Why would Hamilton need to try & save his relationship with Rosberg? Hamilton never asked to finish 3rd. He didn’t block Rosberg unnecessarily & even admitted on the podium that he didn’t feel right being up there because Nico was considerably quicker than he was. Ross Brawn dictated the orders & both drivers followed them. If Nico feels hard done by Lewis, then he’d be an idiot.

      • firstLapNutcaseGrosjean (@) said on 24th March 2013, 10:56

        @vettel1
        “After the last stop the team told me the race was over and we turned the engine down to go to the end,” said Webber.
        So, Vettel is not so fast as he seems to be at TV.

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