Rate the race: 2013 Italian Grand Prix

2013 Italian Grand Prix

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  1. BrawnGP (@brawngp) said on 8th September 2013, 14:24

    I’m not a fan of DRS, but if it has to be used… I thought it was at the right level today.

    • Alex (@korbendallas) said on 8th September 2013, 14:25

      I thought DRS was just about right today too. Must be the tiny wings they all seem to be running.

      • Still produced too many boringly unexciting highway passes for my liking.

        When you had a couple cars in a line it didn’t do much as they all hit the rev-limiters in the tow but when you have just 2 cars alone its still too effective more often than not.
        Couple of the DRS-passes (Especially with Lewis towards the end) would have been done without DRS so its not needed.

      • brentrockwood (@brentrockwood) said on 8th September 2013, 15:25

        That’s what I was thinking. It probably have such a large effect on such low downforce setups.

  2. andy.price (@andy-price) said on 8th September 2013, 14:24

    I’m bored – Vttel is good and the Red Bull is a great car but yawn!

    • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 8th September 2013, 14:41

      Watch the Mercs, Maccas and Lotuses – they’re usually mixing it up a bit :-)

    • It only got boring when the tyres were changed despite it being against all of the rules of F1.

      If the tyres were left, the teams that made their cars for them Ferrari, Lotus and Force india would still be performing well. We would have a fair balanced season and a good battle for the title rather than 1 car show.

      It all a bit embarrassing for F1 and everyone supporting it.

      • gzegzolek (@gzegzolek) said on 8th September 2013, 15:05

        Totally agree. How is it possible to change the tires and destroy competition? But RedBull is like dark force and they can.

      • No I’m sorry, after Silverstone there was absolutely no way they could retain the old tyres. Not a chance. Spa would’ve been an utter shambles if they had.

        • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th September 2013, 16:41

          @vettel1
          I completely agree with you there is nothing more important than safety but it is not that the tyres were badly made that the change should be in favor of one team, Red Bull has been moaning to get back to the 2012 spec-tyres with Kevlar structures, i remember Helmut Marko saying after the start of the season that the RB9 is the car with the highest level of downforce and if they were running last year’s tyres the would have been 0.5s faster than anyone else and that exactly what happened since the introduction of the new tyres in Hungary Red Bull’s pace even in practise has been unreachable for the competition, only the layout of the Hungaroring and a miracle from Hamilton in Q3 prevented Red Bull to dominate that GP
          I’m not downplaying Vettel’s victories with my words because we know him if he has the right car then he can do the job but those are facts, Vettel could still win at Spa & Monza with the old tyres but at least like Germany he could have been challenged by other drivers

          • @tifoso1989 it has played into their hands, but the change had to be done. They’ve tried to keep it as close to the old tyres as possible (retaining the original compounds, which is what Red Bull were initially lobbying to get changed) but it’s just an ineluctable consequence that the perfomance apple cart will be upset.

            I personally wasn’t too bothered if they retained the old tyres pre-Silverstone as long as there weren’t too many repeats of Barcelona (which I felt was an incredibly dreary race) but it was a necessary evil after Silverstone, sadly for some.

            If Pirelli could just construct the tyres properly for next season though (which they should as they’ve had much more testing time – a good move – and less necessity to artificially worsen the tyres) we hopefully won’t have to have a repeat of the farce!

          • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th September 2013, 17:12

            @vettel1
            The teams will have so many variables to deal with next year that it is impossible to think that Pirelli will mess with their 2014 tyres, it will be a complete disaster for them and the teams , we already saw what aggressive tyres can make with cars in stable regulations the tyres will be conservative and easy to learn

          • @tifoso1989 they’ve said it themselves, they’re just going to make “normal” tyres – no fooling around. Good move, considering nobody quite knows how the extra low-end torque and energy recovery boost will affect the tyres.

      • dennis (@dennis) said on 8th September 2013, 15:17

        It wasn’t against the rules, and it wasn’t only Red Bull asking for different tyres.

        • it was against the rules to change them mid season. Rules have since been changed. But at the time they were.

          Right or wrong it has won(or helped, he may of anyway) vettel/RBR the title.

          I most feel sorry for force india they been well and truly screwed over.

        • @dennis is correct – it’s perfectly legal to do so in the interests of safety, in which case it has to be FIA approved. So unless you think the FIA are favouring Red Bull then your argument holds no validity.

    • Dutch Guy said on 8th September 2013, 16:16

      Since tyre drama in early season and resulting changes, the remaining season has gone down like a spiral in terms of interestingness.

  3. 7 – first half was average at best, but Hamilton and Räikkönen being out of place on particular created some nice on-track action, Webber was nicely pressurising Alonso and the tension with the Red Bull gearboxes added a nice spice to the end of the race.

    Still an easy win though, and the championship is just going further and further towards Vettel. 53 points now…

    • I know it’s Italy but come on guys, show a bit of respect.

      • HUHHII (@huhhii) said on 8th September 2013, 14:48

        @vettel1 The way Vettel dealt with the crowd in an interview was just top-class! Served them right.

        • @huhhii I noticed a subtle dig, which was absolutely fair enough :)

          • The dig back was fair. And the booing isnt right.

            But alot of people lost respect for him after malaysia. He doesnt have class but is a very class racing driver.

          • I disagree that disobeying team orders loses you class as I think no driver should be prevented from racing (which is why I found the early overtake on Massa from Alonso a bit sour) but fair enough, as long as you then don’t consider Webber a class person…

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th September 2013, 15:00

            the booing isnt right.

            Agreed.

            But a lot of people lost respect for him after Malaysia

            That’s their problem. If you expect a world class racing driver to leave a single point on the table when it’s there to be had then you don’t understand motor racing. Vettel has won two of his three world championships by less than the seven points he gained by passing Webber. He absolutely did the right thing.

          • Akshay (@hamilfan) said on 8th September 2013, 15:07

            @keithcollantine . He races for Red Bull Racing . They prepare the car . He may be brash and take the car to its limit . But it is a disrespect if he assumes he is on top of everything on the car and the tyres when there are people employed at the track side to do just that .

            I am not saying what vettel did was wrong . Its his attitude after winning and complete arrogance over other drivers that people don’t like .

          • BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th September 2013, 15:08

            It really shows how clever he is and how well he understands the emotions around him. Lovely way of reacting I thought!

          • dennis (@dennis) said on 8th September 2013, 15:18

            “He doesn’t have class.”

            What an utterly stupid thing to say.

          • dennis i said he was a class driver, he personally doesnt have class. Malaysia showed that its there for all to see. Not just the webber incident late on which i wasnt to bothered about, mark should of been on the ball i guess… worse was his radio about getting mark out the way which was ironic due to his later actions ignoring team request.

            Im not fussed either way. But that is the reason he is disliked, he wasnt booed before it. He is a great great driver as i said. Him Alonso and lewis are fantastic racers.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th September 2013, 16:13

            @hamilfan

            his attitude after winning and complete arrogance over other drivers

            This is the kind of stuff I just don’t get. I don’t perceive him to be any more arrogant than other drivers. What’s he done that’s upset you so much?

          • I missed the podium interview. What did Vettel say?

          • Not just the webber incident late on which i wasnt to bothered about, mark should of been on the ball i guess… worse was his radio about getting mark out the way which was ironic due to his later actions ignoring team request.

            That’s not ironic at all – you’re perceiving it wrongly. You have to take it from the perspective of the driver – he obviously wants to win the race and is losing time behind his teammate, so his first port of call is to request team orders. Obviously that request was blocked (credit to Red Bull for that) and actually he was given an order to retain position (no credit to Red Bull for that). So his team have denied him the opportunity to take the position with no hassle. What do you then do as a racing driver? You overtake him.

            So no, not ironic at all. In fact, for his own benefit fairly logical (which I don’t blame him for – all drivers should want to take every point they can get, so +1 to @keithcollantine).

            his attitude after winning and complete arrogance over other drivers

            I don’t really get it either: that argument always sounds to me like trying to justify something that isn’t there. I’d just prefer for people to come out and say they don’t like him – I’d respect that more than trying to find falsely contrived justifications.

          • @q85. If obeying team orders is the measure of class then Massa is the Classiast Driver on the grid ever. The moment they call ‘Felipe’ on the radio he parks his car to let Fernando roll by …. Classy stuff !!!!!!

        • Deurmat (@deurmat) said on 8th September 2013, 17:05

          lol I thought he handle it really bad… I would be booing too : ) Over the complete race how many minutes was Vettel shown? 1? 2 maybe… That is how boring the race was. Luckely we have Raikonnen, Hamilton bringing some sort of action…

          • kpcart said on 8th September 2013, 17:55

            only because they were out of position because of their car troubles at the start of the race. other then that, they would have had boring races finishing 6th and 8th (or there abouts) with much less overtaking.

        • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th September 2013, 17:26

          I know the booing is unacceptable, i cannot imagine myself reacting nicely like a gentleman to that situation like Vettel did but that’s Monza it is not new to F1 the tifosi (and i’m part of them) will do everything they can to try to destabilize Ferrari’s rivals it happened to Fernando in 2006 and now it is happening to Vettel, i’m pretty confident that everyone who is booing Vettel has a lot of respect to him (it sounds controversial but it is) the point is trying to get under his skin to unnerve him and not disrespecting him and Vettel understands that and that what’s make him getting stronger more than ever if it was the opposite situation Fernando in Red Bull and Vettel in Ferrari we will see the same thing but the problem is if it was happening to Fernando i doubt that any of the moralist that they are giving lessons now will talk about it

          • Nathan (@il-ferrarista) said on 8th September 2013, 18:15

            200% Agree. Very good comment from you, btw!

          • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 9th September 2013, 8:45

            @tifoso1989 That’s one heluva long sentence ;)

          • @tifoso1989 The Problem it sets a big Norm.

            Imagine every venue starts doing stuff like this.

            What if Silverstone Fans Boos if a British Driver / Team does not win
            What if Monza Fans Boo if a Ferrari driver does not win
            What if Aussie Fans Boo if Mark or Dan does not win
            what if Spanish Fans boo if Fernando does not win
            What if German fans boo if vettel does not win.

            If this is the case then most of the time at the end of races we can only hear booing and Cheering.

            Booing cannot be considered as loyalty to a team, nation or Person.. it is a very unsporting and condemned for all reasons.

            The concept of booing i am seeing has started to pick up in F1. this is bad for F1. Today it could be vettel. Tomorrow it could be some one else people will start Booing.

            @keithcollantine This topic definitely begs an article / poll from you…..

      • I can’t say this enough. Booing is never acceptable. Worse than vettel dominating the season is the fact that none of the teams are going public and saying their fans should not be booing the winner. Ferrari which fans are the first to boo, probably the worse fans I have ever seen in my life, and I’m ashamed of being one. This behavior needs to stop and I firmly believe all the teams need to campaign for treating the winner with the respect they deserve.

        • OmarR-Pepper (@omarr-pepper) said on 8th September 2013, 15:30

          @keithcollantine @f1andy83 I agree with you both. When Hamilton was getting offended constantly, teams and media did the right thing to make a stand against it. This time the booing is beaing treated as a “funny” thing. But it’s just the same wrong thing on a different driver.

        • I, for one, hate the dominance he is showing and I can’t really say I like him as a person, but people who aren’t his fans still need to open their eyes and see he’s not doing anything wrong. He’s just driving the fastest car in the fastest way possible, and that has to be appreciated. In my country there’s a saying regarding people who aren’t respectful, roughly translated to not having the 7-year homeschooling.

        • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 16:37

          Sorry but why can’t the fans boo. People save money all year and pay through the nose to go see F1 races and they aren’t allowed to express themselves?

          Its not like football where certain players suffer from absolutely vile abuse from fans only a few feet away. Its just pantomime booing.

          I personally don’t think it is anything to do with what Vettel may have done in Malaysia, but more how utterly dull his race wins tend to be, like today.

          • Today’s race was as dull as China, or Spain, or Monaco, or Hungary. It’s painfully obvious that for many people, the dullness of a race is all about who wins it.

          • @brum55 well I have to disagree with you there. Booing someone for doing absolutely nothing wrong is spiteful behaviour in any context. Rather like cheering when somebody has been hampered through no fault of their own. That isn’t decent human behaviour – F1 isn’t a pantomime (much as Bernie may be trying to turn it into one), it’s a sporting contest which isn’t scripted, rather unlike a pantomime.

            Absolutely, boo all you like if he’s done something wrong but as far as the sport is concerned he’s doing everything absolutely right. That isn’t something which should be ridiculed.

            I can cope with that though. What is terribly unlawful is when “fans” of the sport boo during a driver’s national anthem – that’s highly disrespectful, “football hooligan”-esque behaviour and it ought to have no place in fair competition.

            If these “fans” truly wished to maximise their investment, they should enjoy the race for what it’s worth. To me, it looks like they’re paying through the nose out of a delirious love for one driver, not as fans of Formula one. To me, it looks to be wasted investment turning up if they are expecting the world championship leader not to win, or if they will leave discontented if their preferred driver doesn’t win.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 17:15

            A lot of it is down to Vettel’s dominance, not Vettel himself. He gets booed everywhere because people are bored of his domination of the sport, in my opinion.

            It isn’t good for someone to be so dominant for such a long period of time in any sport. Especially a sport like F1, where it is difficult to appreciate the artistry of that sport unlike football, tennis, cricket etc.
            And it isn’t just in Italy. He gets booed everywhere nowadays. He was cheered when he retired in Silverstone as well.

            Compare that to the reaction when he won in 2008. He was everyones 2nd favourite driver because he represented a difference the Ferrari vs McLaren script. I.e. he was a breath of fresh air.

            Now after 4 years of domination I think people would rather have a change to the current script, or viewing figures will start to falter dramatically like they did in the Schumi years.

          • I honestly agree with @brum55, I see booing as simply part of the fun. If I was there I probably would have joined in, not because I don’t respect Vettel’s talent because I do, but for nothing more than a laugh.

          • Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 8th September 2013, 17:56

            @brum55 Spot on, the fans pay an extortionate amount just to get through the gates, they can do what they like to enjoy themselves as much as possible. I don’t understand why F1 fans are expected to be so meek and boring.

            Jean Alesi, one of the classiest, most respectful and well respected people in the sport was up on the podium and he didn’t have a problem with it, he was egging the crowd on! Anyone getting worked up over a bit of pantomime booing needs to have a word with themselves, a more feisty atmosphere at a Grand Prix cannot be a bad thing.

          • @brum55 why is that reason to boo Vettel though? Surely it’d be far more appropriate to boo the other teams, who are making it possible for Red Bull and Vettel to exert “boring dominance”?

            Red Bull are here to win. Vettel is here to win. They are winning, so they are achieving what they set out to do. Does that justify ridicule? Absolutely not. Every other team is failing at their objective though, as in the end you are in F1 to win. Does that deserve ridicule? Again, no – however, it would be much more easily justified.

            If the people want a more competitive grid, then write to the FIA and try to force them into reducing competition costs and equalise the talent spread. Or, god forbid, make F1 a spec series. I personally would loathe if they were to do either of the latter two and probably stop watching the sport as that would be fixation – a pantomime – but of course, it’s all about the money, isn’t it?

          • Jody McLeod (@) said on 8th September 2013, 18:23

            I see no reason why fans can’t boo. These drivers are professionals, and if they can’t take people disliking them, they need to grow up. All sports have dominant athletes, and they will get booed by fans that cheer for different teams. It’s sport, not kindergarten.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 18:51

            @vettel1
            yes, as as people aren’t enjoying the performance enough to even politely, insincerely cheer, so they therefore have the right to boo it. And they paid the money to attend the race and get those boos heard by a global audience.

            Red Bull/Vettel aren’t being ridiculed. If anything those boos should be the sweetest sound for Vettel, Red Bull and their fans, as the fans at the race who paid fortunes to watch the pinnacle of F1, are so frustrated and bored by the battle for the race win they can only express their frustration and dissatisfaction of it by booing.

            Of course this is not good for the sport and I don’t believe the Asian fans will be paying to see more non-events such as the last 2 Grand Prix.

            The FIA have already reacted by changing the regs to be more engine oriented and away from the aero orientated regs that suits Newey and Red-Bull so much. Hopefully next year will be better.

            Also being a fan means sticking by your team or driver in the hard times, not just when they win. So for any fan of a driver or manufacturer to then boo them when they don’t win would be so classless and unhelpful. Drivers and Manufacturers like Ferrari, Mercedes, Lotus and McLaren need all the support from their fans after putting 100% and coming short.
            Booing them would destroy any confidence, and motivation they have so why would they rather do that? How would it help Ferrari if the tifosi booed Alonso for coming 2nd? It would destroy him. Booing him is not what a fan does, especially if they do hope to see him succeed.

          • Tifoso1989 (@tifoso1989) said on 8th September 2013, 18:55

            @vettel1

            Red Bull are here to win. Vettel is here to win

            The fans are there to booooooo !!!!

          • @jakalope81

            These drivers are professionals, and if they can’t take people disliking them, they need to grow up.

            That’s just won the title of most ironic thing ever said.

          • Travis (@mcmerctn) said on 8th September 2013, 19:53

            For what it’s worth, I’ll say that the booing doesn’t bother me. I personally don’t believe booing is right, but it’s also wrong to tell people how to behave as long as they aren’t being unlawful (ex. actually causing a bonfire or something). Anyway, I see indifference being worse than booing, because they don’t care about you. Booing means you’re doing something they don’t like, and if that’s winning, then showing those people indifference is the best thing to do.

          • Then you are exactly the kind of fan no sports needs. Everyone is always trying their best, the only time I can think booing was accepted was during the us Grand Prix fiasco.

          • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th September 2013, 21:14

            @brum55

            It’s not like football where certain players suffer from absolutely vile abuse

            Yes, it is like what goes on in football. It may not be as bad, but it’s exactly the same type of bullying, and it’s completely unacceptable.

            Paying a lot of money for a ticket does not exempt you from extending common courtesy to other humans beings. That means not jeering at them.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 22:27

            @keithcollantine
            Keith, love the website, but I have to disagree with what you said.
            Its nowhere near the same as football. Its not even in the same ball park. Football fans abuse have been racial, anti-Semitic, homophobic, personal attacks on players families, death theats, etc.
            In F1, Vettel gets just booed, nothing more personal than that, because he is faster than everyone to an embarrassing degree for a competitive sporting series. I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t swap his position with Alonso’s, i.e. loved but 2nd at best.
            Paying for a ticket means that they can do what they want as long as they don’t commit any crimes and keep to the terms and conditions that they signed to. Its a sporting event with drunk sports fans afterall. Whereas it maybe unpleasant to hear, people have the right to jeer or heckle at any event that they have attended if they aren’t satisfied by it. It happens in all sports, gigs, stand-ups etc. Its the easiest and most effective way to communicate your dissatisfaction of the event.
            Let not forget that Vettel was never booed in 2012. I think because it was an excellent season, with races that captured the imagination of those who attended them.
            And it is not bullying. The definition of bullying is to use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants. Vettel is the one with the power and influene. He has the stage, the microphone and can condemn the fans if he feels he need to.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 9th September 2013, 4:09

            People do not have the right to boo.

            There is no excuse for bad behavior like that.

            Booing because your man didn’t win, or the race wasn’t as exciting as you wanted is pathetic.

          • Deb Luhi (@debeluhi) said on 9th September 2013, 13:06

            Some say that it’s because what he did in Malaysia but no one booed Webber for what he did in Brazil last year. Other say it’s because he’s running away with the championship and it’s boring but it all started at the Canadian GP, by mostly Ferrari fans, which was his third victory but it was far from obvious that he’ll win the championship (it’s still not granted).
            If people doesn’t like when he’s winning they don’t have to cheer him but also don’t have to boo either. I’m sure Ferrari fans could have enough fun cheering Alonso. Booing is a bit malicious.

          • @brum55 elaborating your thoughts what you mean is that just because fans saved money to get the tickets they have right to do whatever they want. If everyfan decides that just because he paid money for the ticket , if the team or person that he or she is supporting does not win then he has the right to do whatever he wants.

            THat is very unsporting, every match people win and lose and that means in every game in every sport there will be booing at the end of every game !!!!

            in Sports the winner is respected and just because some one does well and he/she dominates the game he/she should be booed is totally ridiculous. I am gaining more respect for Vettel now a days after the booing incident.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 9th September 2013, 22:05

            @tmax
            You may think it is unsporting and I think Vettel handles it in a very dignified way. But it is part of all sports. And there is nothing wrong with sports fans who attend expressing themselves. There are so many worse things that can be done than booing.

        • Dave (@raceprouk) said on 8th September 2013, 16:39

          none of the teams are going public and saying their fans should not be booing the winner

          Wouldn’t make a blind bit of difference if they did – ‘haters gonna hate’, as the saying goes.

          • dutchtreat (@dutchtreat) said on 9th September 2013, 3:51

            I watched the race on NBC Sports in the US. One of the (guest) commentators was Mario Andretti in his words: “I will never obey team orders, let them try to fire me for trying to win a race”. I loved that… true race speak.

          • Mike (@mike) said on 9th September 2013, 4:02

            @raceprouk

            No excuse for treating others badly. And that includes Vettel.

        • Andrei (@andrei) said on 8th September 2013, 17:19

          Totally agreed. I couldn’t afford buying a ticket to an F1 race, even if it done in my country, and I’m a little upset to watch people wasting the chance to enjoy these great drivers, regardless of who they support.
          Reasons for disrespecting Vettel are just excuses to do so. He’s a moaner, so what? Several other drivers are (JB, as an example), and people still like them. Arrogance? Told Alonso about it. Rudeness? Well, Kimi certainly knows how to talk to the press and his own team.
          One of the most praised drivers of all time is Schumacher. He was a controversial one too, not exactly a model of fair play. But not too many people had a problem with that.
          I think the problem is Vettel is winning. And IMHO, he’s not only winning, but beating Ferrari race after race, no matter how huge Ferrari’s budget is. He’s showing that a driver doesn’t need 12 years of experience, and showing that a team doesn’t need 60 years of racing history to get the job done.
          I would like to see Hamilton winning the WDC. In the meantime, congrats to the future 4th time WDC champion and to the team that develops such a great car. Shame to Ferrari and their impotent fans.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 17:30

            What about the McLaren and Lewis/Button/Di Resta fans who cheered when Vettel DNF’d in Silverstone. Why are you not shaming them?
            Or is it only bad when Ferrari fans behave a certain way?

          • @brum55 that’s just nitpicking on @andrei ‘s well-reasoned comment. Was there an overwhelming majority of British fans in Monza such as you describe? No.

            I’m sure judging from their perspective that they would consider the British fans to be just as bad.

            the fans pay an extortionate amount just to get through the gates, they can do what they like to enjoy themselves as much as possible.

            That’s flawed logic: clearly the fans aren’t enjoying themselves, otherwise they wouldn’t be booing. So, why then do they pay so much to watch an event they don’t enjoy? That seems completely senseless to me. Clearly, the only way they would have enjoyed the race is if Alonso had won and frankly his chances were on the lower half of 50% going into this weekend. Clearly these fans aren’t enjoying the event to their full potential if they feel discontented enough to boo the result.

            I don’t understand why F1 fans are expected to be so meek and boring.

            Who suggested that? If people who are rowdy, impolite and deluded are considered “fun and exciting” then this is a sorry world indeed. As has been said, if people wish to enjoy the act of booing they are far better placed in a pantomime or WWE crowd, not the (generally dignified) F1 crowds, who turn up at events to enjoy the racing, not the result.

          • Broom (@brum55) said on 8th September 2013, 19:05

            It was an out of order attack at Ferrari and their fans.

            And IMHO, he’s not only winning, but beating Ferrari race after race, no matter how huge Ferrari’s budget is.

            Shame to Ferrari and their impotent fans.

            Lovely well-reasoned response, whilst ignoring that the British fans at Silverstone cheered when Vettel retired. The majority at Silverstone weren’t Ferrari fans.

          • Jack (@jackisthestig) said on 8th September 2013, 23:36

            A lot of the anti booing arguments suggest fans should be dignified, respectful, courteous, etc… Words you would use to describe a funeral procession rather than a sports event.

      • mixwell (@mixwell) said on 8th September 2013, 15:24

        i agree. that’s just stupid

        • Minardi (@gitanes) said on 9th September 2013, 7:08

          Wow I really can’t believe booing has taken on this notion as being so terrible and disrespectful!!! When did that happen? Keith, I agree with you about 99% of the time, but this one I definitely don’t. Anyone who has been in a “crowd-mentality” at a sporting even knows that booing is only a way to help “fuel” the crowd-mentality even more. Those same fans will go home watching the event again and will applaud the victor on their own plenty.

          Monza has a good share of those fans I’m sure – all realizing today how damn good Vettel is to have brought out that kind of emotion!

      • TMF (@tmf42) said on 8th September 2013, 21:02

        Vettel is a big boy and has a thick skin – you saw it when he gave the jab back. So I don’t see this booing as bad, especially not in Monza.

        Though – what bothers me is that they did it thru out the interview, being quite disrespectful towards Surtees – not only a racing legend but a Ferrari legend.

    • Krichelle (@krichelle) said on 8th September 2013, 14:46

      Hamilton and Rosberg’s fastest laps: 1.25.5 and 1.25.6. What could Lewis have done if he was in Q3? Mercedes were the fastest cars of the race. Rosberg proved that by setting a fastest lap on same tyres as the leaders. Lewis as well, in the middle stint, he was flying and he still was able to set faster times than the leaders. And that was on used tyres, not new unlike the others who were on new tyres. Final laps of Lewis were just “on fire”.

      Overall, 7… Great job from Lewis and the midfield to not make the race boring. haha Too bad the qualifying session messed it up…

    • nackavich (@nackavich) said on 8th September 2013, 14:50

      Gave it 7 as well, I thought the midfield battles kept it exciting. Being a Ricciardo fan it was nail biting to see Hamilton chew his way through to 9th, and Hulk had a great drive as well. So there was enough there at the end to keep me completely interested, although the middle stint made my attention wain a little.

      • Robbie (@robbie) said on 9th September 2013, 15:14

        While I get the sentiment that some share about booing being unfortunate, I think it is a reality and silly to assume that of 100,000 people or so in a crowd, they should all have the same opinion, the same level of respect, the same thinking. Not ever going to happen and thank goodness or wouldn’t LIFE be boring, forget whatever level of excitement the race or the Championship carries.

        Fans boo in Nascar all the time, and I remember Jeff Gordon being asked about that back when he was winning regularly, including the Championships. He said basically they’re not booing me, they’re booing someone who beat their guy. They are showing passion for their favourite driver, and thank goodness we have that kind of passion from our viewing audience or our racing series wouldn’t be the big deal that it is.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if the majority of the people that booed SV on the weekend were a) just frustrated that FA or a Ferrari didn’t win, b) would have a different tone with SV if they were alone with him in a room and would likely have a great conversation with him and get a handshake and an autograph out of it, and c) will accept and stand up and applaud him if/when he wins the Championship as an accomplished F1 racer and multiple Champion who they hope will one day drive for (in this weekend’s case) Ferrari, and who this weekend/year happened to do the best job.

        I’m sure most fans, including the booers, understand that ultimately it is up to their driver and their team to do the best job. Booing at a sporting event in the heat of the moment is pretty small potatoes and pretty human when all is said and done. And of course making it racial, bringing prejudice into it, is always unacceptable and shows ignorance and a person’s true colours and thankfully those people are generally of a very small minority. But to assume that everyone that boos is doing that is wrong, and is being just as judgemental as the booers are accused of being.

  4. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th September 2013, 14:25

    Boring, but well…

    Red Bull are so many miles ahead as a team, not just the driver. The way they pitted both cars so quickly at the same lap… head and shoulders above the rest. Even with the gearbox gremlins… Effortless…

    • JCost (@jcost) said on 8th September 2013, 15:07

      Actually there was a fair amount of action, maybe Kimi and Lewis starting “out of place” helped it, but lack of fight for P1 kinda made it less exciting.

      I’m missing wet races…

      • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 8th September 2013, 15:17

        If Kimi hadn’t whacked his front wing at the first corner, and Lewis hadn’t had the slow puncture, then the battle for the lead, or atleast the podium spots, would have been very exciting.
        It seem’s even the weather is against us.
        Spa: threat of rain… Reality: None.
        Monza: Threat of rain… Reality: None.

        Still, if’s and but’s.

  5. favomodo (@favomodo) said on 8th September 2013, 14:25

    Okay race, boring at front, but some nice fights in the middle of the field. A 6 for me.

  6. TMF (@tmf42) said on 8th September 2013, 14:26

    6/10 – was an ok race – unlucky for RAI and HAM – they could have made it a bit more interesting.

  7. That’s was an enjoying race even though there was no real battle for the top spots.

    The midfielders made that race entertaining. I liked it! But 7

  8. JackySteeg (@jackysteeg) said on 8th September 2013, 14:27

    Like Montreal and Spa, it felt like I spent the whole race waiting for something to happen and in the end nothing did. 4/10

  9. Bob (@bobthevulcan) said on 8th September 2013, 14:27

    The race sagged in the middle, but the initial and final laps did feature some close racing and hard-fought battles. Excellent recovery drives by Raikkonen and Hamilton were a treat to watch, as was the slow-burn tension of RBR’s mechanical problems, and the melee in the midfield as always. On balance, I gave it a 7.

  10. adamx84 said on 8th September 2013, 14:28

    Dull at the front, but some decent racing behind.

    Hamilton will be doubly kicking himself for Qualifying now – clearly quickest in traffic and on his own, and at start and end of stint, with non of the reliability concerns the Red Bulls started to worry about. I’m sure Vettel had lots more in the tank, but if Hamilton was right there with him he’d have needed an awful lot more than he showed.

  11. smokinjoe (@smokinjoe) said on 8th September 2013, 14:30

    average race just came alive in the last few laps but other then that its the same start to finish vettel show…….give it 5

  12. Alex (@korbendallas) said on 8th September 2013, 14:30

    Great result from Massa and Webber, keeping the pressure up on Alonso. Shame about Hamilton’s qualifying, he could have made the front a lot more interesting. I’ll bet he’s thanking his lucky stars for the move every time he breezes past a McLaren this year.

  13. Yawn, possibly the least exciting race of the year. Another poor decision by Alonso/Ferrari in not pitting sooner

    • petebaldwin (@petebaldwin) said on 8th September 2013, 14:55

      @sars – The impression I got was that it Alonso’s bad call. The team radio was in Italian though and despite the billions of £s Sky get every year, they still can’t employ anyone who speaks Italian to listen in to the pit radio and feed back what is said….

    • chemakal said on 8th September 2013, 18:10

      Ferrari aimed for a last part of the race with fresher tyres and Alonso was doing green sectors until the last lap before pitting. Then he was called in for keeping position vs Webber. However, the hard tyres suited the RBs much better. Taking into account the gear box problems from RB, Alonso could have put Vettel more into pressure by pitting earlier.

      • Vaidas1123581321 said on 8th September 2013, 22:17

        Idk what timing you watched but Alonso was not doing green sectors. They just bet on higher tyre wear

  14. David-A (@david-a) said on 8th September 2013, 14:31

    Good battles in the lower half of the top ten, which were the highlight. 6/10.

    • Gave it the same. I felt like I was waiting for something that wasn’t going to happen and while the first 10/15 laps were alright and the end was pretty good, I still felt 20 laps or so were rather boring.

      Positions 6 through 13 or so were all fighting for a long period of time, which was cool. But in the end I felt DRS was completely useless here and for the first time it really annoyed me. I used to be on the fence about DRS, but all the good overtakes were outside of DRS zones.

  15. Dion (@infinitygc) said on 8th September 2013, 14:32

    A 6, It had some fun moments, but was overall fairly dissapointing…

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