New video shows Webber’s controversial ‘taxi ride’

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http://youtu.be/1HO91FVHIRY?t=17s

Fernando Alonso, Mark Webber, Singapore, 2013This new video shot by a fan at the Singapore Grand Prix shows the moment after Sunday’s race when Mark Webber earned himself a reprimand – and consequently a ten-place grid penalty – in more detail.

Webber was judged to have re-entered the track on foot without obtaining permission from a marshal beforehand.

Article 30.9 of the Sporting Regulations states: “During the period commencing fifteen minutes prior to and ending five minutes after every practice session and the period between the commencement of the formation lap which immediately precedes the race and the time when the last car enters the parc ferme, no one is allowed on the track, the pit entry or the pit exit with the exception of [...] drivers when driving or on foot, having first received permission to do so from a marshal.”

Fernando Alonso was also given a reprimand for stopping on the racing line as he picked Webber up, forcing the two Mercedes drivers to take avoiding action, as also shown in the video.

Webber criticised the stewards’ decision to reprimand him for his action, calling it “comical”. It was his third reprimand of the year which means he automatically receives a ten-place grid penalty for the next race in Korea.

Thanks to @Andae23 for the tip.

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  1. Carlitox (@carlitox) said on 24th September 2013, 22:20

    My… it did look scarier now. I totally take back all I said to the stewards at that moment.

    Still, Alonso’s intention was good. He just shouldn’t have stopped in the middle of the track.

    • Nick (@nick-uk) said on 24th September 2013, 22:28

      I think he probably would have moved to the outside wall of the track if Kimi had not also had the same idea to stop, therefore blocking him from doing so. I’d love to see an onboard from Rosberg’s car. All that said it was a fair penalty. It was only a reprimand, it was just complained about a lot as Webber already had two, this triggering a 10 place drop.

      • Carlitox (@carlitox) said on 24th September 2013, 22:41

        Exactly. It was unlucky for Webber, but the penalty was a reprimand, not the place drop. It was totally called for.

      • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 0:31

        @nick-uk, as you say the onboard from Rosbergs car is crucial, I’m pretty sure Rosberg could see Webber on the track before he entered the corner. There are so many goody-goodies, on this site telling a guy who flies cars upside down for a living that any perceived risk is unacceptable and the chief stewards comment comes down to a case of ” It’s allright when I do it but not when you do it” the picture of Warwick riding a-top a Ferrari looks far more precarious than than Webbers perch.

        • Mark Hitchcock (@mark-hitchcock) said on 25th September 2013, 0:45

          I’m pretty sure Rosberg could see Webber on the track before he entered the corner

          Rosberg can see through walls??

          • Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 25th September 2013, 1:11

            He’s superman, didn’t you know ?

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 4:26

            Webber started his run onto the track from the run-off area which is a straight part of the track from which oncoming cars were approaching the 90 deg. corner, much has been made of the speed but that also was the speed travelled down pit-lane until a few races ago.

          • muzbye (@muzbye) said on 26th September 2013, 7:52

            @shrieker

            He’s superman, didn’t you know ?

            I thought he’s a pop singer… if you know what i mean :)

        • Mark Hitchcock (@mark-hitchcock) said on 25th September 2013, 0:46

          Even if Rosberg saw Webber I very much doubt he was expecting Mark to run around the back of Alonso’s car and into his path.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 4:52

            But he didn’t run into his path, did he ?

          • David (@neiana) said on 25th September 2013, 8:09

            Yes, that’s why Rosberg ended up taking a non-standard path. The normal path was dangerous. Rosberg was going to take the normal path BUT there was a car and human in the way, so he turned the wheel hard and took avoiding action.

            So yes, Webber ran into his path causing him to change his path.

        • Bazza Spock (@bazza-spock) said on 25th September 2013, 10:50

          I agree with you. It didn’t look dangerous. Those drivers have reflexes of superhumans. The first Mercedes had no trouble getting around. And Mark is highly anti-nanny state. If he had been bowled over by the mercedes he’d have blamed no one but himself.

          I’m disappointed how the media, including this site, have made such an issue of this. There’s been little discussion of what was was a great race. Plenty of overtaking, plenty of action.

          • Proesterchen (@proesterchen) said on 25th September 2013, 11:09

            It’s not a “nanny state” issue when you’re endangering others.

            Do you also argue for people wandering onto motorways or in front of trains?

    • i don’t see what all fuss is about, like DC says drivers are not that stupid to run ppl over even in cool down lap, while i agree the place car was stopped is not ideal, he couldn’t have stopped anywhere else, since kimi was on his right he couldn’t gone straight to run over area, and once he slowed down, he coudn’t go over kerbs, because even an idiot will know slow f1 car will get stuck on kerbs. only place he could have stopped is right there or further down after kerbs in hindsight its easy decision.

  2. Proesterchen (@proesterchen) said on 24th September 2013, 22:20

    Well, that looks like a bloody stupid move by Mark (and Fernando), I don’t see how he has any basis for complaining.

  3. Nico went by incredibly close !

    I reckon had Kimi not been alongside Fernando, he’d probably had stopped on the other side of the kerb…

  4. Incredibly stupid.

  5. Julian (@julianwins) said on 24th September 2013, 22:25

    Absolutely dangerous as others have said. Fernando certainly should have stopped closer to marks car, but Kimi was on the inside making it a bit difficult. Either way, not smart.

    • Rossa (@rossa) said on 25th September 2013, 9:34

      Guess Kimi was ready to give a ride to webber but the latter just ignore him! so he wasn’t need others to give him a ride only failonso, his only F1 friend. Well, they wanted to stage the show of friendship but screwed up and then webber tried to stage the show as a drama! ridiculous!

  6. oliveiraz33 (@oliveiraz33) said on 24th September 2013, 22:30

    Nico went by close to him because he wanted… not because he was at the limit of grip of the car, that went by so close… I think people is making a storm in a cup of water…

    • Nico went by close to him because he wanted

      That doesn’t really make much sense.

      • oliveiraz33 (@oliveiraz33) said on 24th September 2013, 22:36

        When nico goes by webber, he’s going almost straight, he even made a evasive manouver (wich he would if he needed)… They are F1 drivers, used to go with their car inches from the pit crew… So it kinda makes sense now…

      • oliveiraz33 (@oliveiraz33) said on 24th September 2013, 22:40

        And the way Hamilton say’s that it was “scary” is realy a overstatement… he went by in the other side, nowere near hitting the ferrari… But oh… I remember… Hamilton drives for mercedes, and both Mercedes and Hamilton are driving for a championship position against Ferrari, Alonso and Webber… That’s the only reason it was “scary”…

        Nico would be the one that would have something to say… But he didn’t say much

        • Pete (@repete86) said on 24th September 2013, 22:59

          It was scary for him because he drove where Webber was walking just seconds prior. Had he gotten there two seconds earlier, we would have a very badly injured Mark Webber right now.

          • Shrieker (@shrieker) said on 25th September 2013, 1:12

            Or dead.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 4:33

            Webber could see the approaching cars before he ran onto the track, so he would have waited for Lewis to pass had he been 2 seconds further down the track, this is indeed a storm in a teacup.

          • Rossa (@rossa) said on 25th September 2013, 9:37

            yep! very true!
            It looked scary not only to Ham I guess but to Rosberg too taking into account Nico was extremely close to webber

        • D (@f190) said on 24th September 2013, 23:14

          Wow someone doesn’t like Hamilton… seriously hes done nothing wrong at all. He went round a blind corner and had to avoid a parked car which he wouldn’t have been expecting at all. I know these are the best drivers in the world but they are still human and can still be shocked by things they don’t expect. I really don’t think he was pushing for a penalty but that point really has nothing to do with it. The marshals would have brought the point up and footage would have been reviewed regardless of Hamilton’s comments. It’s not like the Fia said ” let’s let lewis decide what happens”. If Hamilton said everything was fine or not commented the Fia would still have issued the reprimand so I think you have missed the point here.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 4:36

            Lewis has I believe run out of fuel on the inlap so he more than others should be aware that the inlap is not a race lap.

        • MaroonJack (@maroonjack) said on 25th September 2013, 9:31

          @oliveiraz33 Lewis didn’t say it was “scary”. He said:

          I was doing my in-lap, came around the corner and Fernando was there, and I was really shocked

          Rosberg saw Webber running onto the track, so he expected something to be there. Lewis didn’t see that, so he wasn’t prepared to see a car parked in the middle of the track. He was surprised. Whoop-dee-doo. Anti-Ferrari and anti-Red Bull conspiracy solved.

        • Rossa (@rossa) said on 25th September 2013, 9:35

          WHAT!? O-o

    • Pandaslap (@pandaslap) said on 25th September 2013, 5:09

      @oliveiraz33 I think you are on to something here.

      From this angle, it looks like Kimi was going to pick Webber up himself but noticed Nando was going to do it, so he moved on. Then, Webber and Nico saw each other, Webber got on Nando’s car, and Nico moved on. Lastly, after arriving at the corner and seeing the Ferrari in front, Lewis begrudgingly got out of the way.

      No tire smoke, no evasive action, no panic – hardly the death trap that other commenters have described. I know this puts me in the minority but, after seeing this, my opinion on the penalty has changed.

  7. Seeing Rosberg driving past whilst Webber was jumping on board Alonso’s car was quite scary to watch.

  8. Seeing videos like this, I can’t understand how anyone can complain about the penalty.

    I was against it at first, too, but when you see someone running on the track while there’s still cars going around and another driver stopping IN THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACK, you can clearly see that it was the right decision by the stewards.

  9. Webber shouldn’t have just run on like that, bit silly of him considering he’s the oldest driver on the grid.

    Strange to see all those cheers for Alonso too, 3-4 years ago he was probably the most hated driver on the grid. Funny how times change.

    • It was only a week or so ago Alonso was getting lynched , the week before it was massa , before that Sutil , this week is Webbers turn .
      I would hope that Webber would say ” fair cop mate , i jumped in at the wrong spot, sorry , wont happen again”

  10. I think it was a nice gesture by intent, but a dangerous manoeuvre in reality. If he’d pulled off the track I’d have no issue, but the way in which it was executed was pretty reckless.

  11. He got away lightly with a reprimand and subsequent ten place grid drop, he could have lost his life there. And pretty bone-headed by Alonso also. I suspect if it had been Maldonado stopping in a blind corner and not a driver more or less in the title race, he’d have received a grid drop as well.

    • juan fanger (@juan-fanger) said on 24th September 2013, 23:26

      he could have lost his life there

      These are the best drivers in the world and they do know how to steer around obstacles.

      Why all the hate from the Vettel fans?

      • I’d really love to know how you discerned “hate” in the words “he could have lost his life there”.

        We saw a couple of these best drivers in the world, who know how to steer around obstacles, drive their cars into a wall. And they were expecting the wall to be there – they were not expecting to see a car parked in the middle of a turn and a man running across the track.

        I won’t even ask where that “Vettel fan” crack came from or what you imagine it has to do with the issue at hand.

        • alexx_88 (@alexx_88) said on 25th September 2013, 10:26

          You actually know that they were doing around 80km/h which is exactly the same speed at which they enter into a pitbox with 14 people with only inches to spare?

          The comparison is absurd, 80km/h is basically walking speed for them and quite a bit far off from their limits and the car’s, those walls are coming to them when they are driving to the very edge of what they and their machines are capable of.

          The warning was fair, the subsequent 10-place drop is just bad timing. Nobody would’ve said anything about this if it was only Webber’s second. Get over it.

          • pitlane is 60

          • Pit lane speed is 80km/h. Nobody drives into the pit box at that speed. The pit box is a carefully choreographed situation. It does not involve members of the pit crew randomly jumping in front of the car. If a member of the pit crew did do such a thing he would be risk of serious injury (even at speeds well below 80kmph) and his team would receive a reprimand.

            A member of the Lotus pit crew was seen working on Grosjeans completely stationary car while not wearing a helmet. Lotus were reprimanded as a result.

            The warning was fair, the subsequent 10-place drop is just bad timing.

            Exactly. So the people fuming about the grid drop are the ones who need to “get over it”.

  12. troutcor said on 24th September 2013, 23:39

    Is it no longer possible to summon a driver to the steward’s office for a mere talking-to?
    You wag a finger, show the video (if you have it) and tell ‘em not to do it again.
    The smart judge knows when to apply sanctions and when to apply moral authority.
    I’ll repeat what I said earlier: If your aim is solely safety, shut down F1 entirely.
    Driving cars at 200 mph is inherently dangerous and therefor must be stopped.

  13. Oli Littlejohn (@olilittlejohn) said on 24th September 2013, 23:48

    I think it’s particularly hilarious that Alonso managed to stop, pick up Webber and drive off again before Massa got round! Shows how far ahead he was even on the slow down lap!

  14. Alex Brown (@splittimes) said on 24th September 2013, 23:53

    Can someone remind me which driver was once killed after running over a marshall carrying a fire extinguisher? Cars came round that bend at 100kmh, so 60mph. Nico goes one side of the Ferrari, Lewis the other. Would you step onto an A road (UK users only) after a blind bend not knowing where the traffic is? Would you park there? Sid Watkins once asked what was more important, having a Senna or a Tamburello. Something similar might apply here. Risk : benefit ratio far too high.

    • cant remember which driver but i have seen the footage and its horrible.

      I said before and after the canada incident there we have had so many near misses(and not so in canada) due to rules not being enforced etc(in that case incorrect use of a forklift). Since then we have had the wheel incident at germany and now this. We are a disaster waiting to happen. The cars are amazingly safe, tracks mostly are too. Its let down by not enough money and effort being put in else where.

      In WSBK(germany) and moto gp (GB) we had 2 occasion in one day that marshalls run towards an incident despite the race track still being very live. Both occasions were put down by the journalists at the time as ‘they were lucky to jump out the way, well done’ NO not well done, what are you doing more like. Things need to be tightened and track officals/marshals need to be fully paid and professional and therefore accountable.

      Its not like the sport cant afford it. But what it cant afford is live images of a decapitated body. No one needs that.

    • Mark Hitchcock (@mark-hitchcock) said on 25th September 2013, 0:39

      Excellent point. Everyone who support’s Webber’s actions seems to be pointing to the fact that he’s a grown man, can do what he likes, and that the other drivers should have the reactions to avoid him.
      Incidents like the one you’re referring to (the deaths of Fredrik Jansen van Vuuren and Tom Pryce) are evidence that you really can’t be too careful when it comes to running out onto a live race track. Tom Pryce had lightening reactions but that didn’t save his life, Fredrik was a grown man able to make sensible decisions but he made a bad decision and it cost him his life.

      I’m a fan of Webber, and even though he obviously wouldn’t deliberately put himself or others at risk, it’s really disappointing that he can’t admit that this was a stupid thing to do and the stewards were right to think about safety and issue him a reprimand.

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 25th September 2013, 4:43

      @splittimes, but Webber did know where the traffic was, he was opposite the apex of the corner when he hailed his cab.

    • Peter (@malaclypse) said on 25th September 2013, 9:07

      Exactly this, @splittimes. I’m very happy to see that many users here still have reasonable opinions about people running across a live race track for, well, no good reason.
      F1 is still dangerous. You can allmost be killed by a car flying on your head (like Alonso in Spa last year) or by a tyre that hits you while working in pits (like on the Nürburgring this year). But those incidents at least are “racing incidents” in the true sense of the word. Webbers move wasn’t. He was out of the race, he was safe – and than decided to run onto the track. If you compare it to the Pryce/van Vuuren accident, you can at least say that van Vuuren was crossing the track because he wanted to help and do his job. Webber was endangering himself and others just because his big ego. Why people out there find that move cool or romantic or herolike is baffling to me.
      Having said this, I think that a reprimand is a very mild penalty. If it would have been a race ban it would be totally ok to me.

    • tom price

  15. Question: Were the marshalls waving Yellow flags in the area? At least from this video I did not see any. I’d assume they were waved… But if not, the marshalls could be responsible here too….

    • Matthijs (@matthijs) said on 25th September 2013, 8:11

      No, they are not responsible. It’s common that the marshalls wava all the flags they have, just to cheer to the drivers. So, there are no flags to warn drivers in the cool down lap.

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