Webber derides “comical” Singapore reprimand

2013 Singapore Grand Prix

Fernando Alonso, Mark Webber, Singapore, 2013Mark Webber has hit out at the FIA’s decision to reprimand him following Sunday’s Singapore Grand Prix.

Webber was given a reprimand for “entering the track without the marshal?óÔé¼Ôäós permission” to get a lift from Fernando Alonso on the slow-down lap after his car broke down and caught fire at the end of the race.

“For [Alonso] and me to receive reprimands for our actions after the race it is comical to say the least,” Webber wrote on Twitter. “Great moment and fans loved it.”

Webber’s reprimand was his third of the year which earned him an automatic ten-place grid penalty for the Korean Grand Prix. Alonso was also reprimanded after the stewards judged he stopped in a dangerous position, forcing other drivers to take avoiding action.

Webber responded to claims he was told by marshals not to return to the track to get a lift from Alonso: “Contrary to reports, there was no interaction at all with any track officials after we put the fire out.”

CCTV footage showed Alonso stopped on the racing line to pick Webber up, and the Mercedes drivers dodged around the pair while Webber climbed onto the Ferrari.

Webber also pointed out that one of the Singapore Grand Prix stewards, Derek Warwick, had ‘hitched a lift’ in a similar fashion in the past.

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144 comments on Webber derides “comical” Singapore reprimand

  1. Jono (@me262) said on 24th September 2013, 12:24

    @hotbottoms
    Is that the same imaginary marshall that told webber to run 4 seconds earlier than when he would have been hit by Ham? couldnt have he had an IQ that was slightly higher ;)

  2. Webber has tweeted (paraphrased): ‘I can trust the drivers at 200mph in race, so I can trust them at 60mph’.

    It is not the other driver’s jobs to be blooming trusted on the cool down lap – it’s Webber’s job to stay the hell off the race track so he doesn’t put them in a position to be ‘trusted’. Webber makes it almost their responsibility to avoid him.

    I’m really dissapointed in webber, after all his strong words on safety (after the tyre issues for example), to not hold his hands up after an error of judgement. Marshals struggle hard enough to convince drivers to stay off the track, and his actions just teach young drivers that it is fine to do so.

    As for people questioning the marshal’s authority. To marshal a GP requires a depth of training and experience way beyond the ignorant comments already posted. You do not get to marshal a GP without experience. Marshals will happily put themselves in harm’s way to try to keep everyone else safe. To suggest it is just a power trip stopping them allowing the driver onto a live race track (it is still live on the cool down lap) is ignorant and patronising in the extreme. Check your facts before you mouth off.

  3. David Margono (@woshidavid95) said on 24th September 2013, 13:36

    Webber is really starting to become of my most disliked drivers… like realky, the way he manipulates the majority of the F1 fanbase into supporting him/getting sympathy from then by constantly playing the victim is just ugh. Like in Sepang 2013, what right does he have to complain and bitch about Vettel disobeying team orders considering he himself disobeyed team orders not once, but twice before (Silverstone 2011, Interlagos 2012)? Thankfully the members of F1Fanatic are generally more sensible, but sadly the same can’t be said for most of those watching F1 so Webber will continue getting sympathy and support he doesn’t deserve >_>

  4. MarkM (@mpmark) said on 24th September 2013, 13:53

    Its a shame Webber has to come out and speak in this way about the incident. Did he not hear what Hamilton said? or see the viddeo of him taking avoiding action? how lucky he was that he didn’t run him over? Although the stewards explained that there is nothing wrong with towing your mate back to the pits and the fans getting a kick out of it, it is in the “MANNER” he went about doing it. Alonso surely knows he stopped the car clearly in the wrong spot, a few cars had to take avoiding action to get around. Had they done it in a safer area and pick him up off the track area, which shows there clearly was area to do so, we would be talking about this right now. Stewards did the right thing, mark is complaining about the “non issue”. Give your head a shake Mark.

    • Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 24th September 2013, 14:25

      +1 you beat me to it. Mark is throwing the toys out of the cot a lil, I think that’s just frustration from the fact he’ll probably be starting from 14th in Korea

  5. Funkyf1 (@funkyf1) said on 24th September 2013, 14:14

    So many insults, so little thought! I love how everyone is an expert on this and so quick to put MW down. The fact is, the reprimand was essentially given because of where Alonso stopped, that’s what caused the dangerous situation. The video even shows Seb and Kimi slowing down after seeing a waving Webber and then Alonso sees him last minute and pulls up in what was a potentially dangerous spot. In hindsight, I’m sure he would of pulled over closer to the edge of the track and Webber would of jumped on the car from the otherside. Yes it was a little foolish and shouldn’t be done again. Alonso and Webber are both shocked by the reaction, because they didn’t see the potential hazards from where they were, I don’t believe either are putting a spin on it or thought of it as particular dangerous, it’s more so everyone else jumping up and down, even other drivers are supporting them. But instead of everyone is throwing stones, read between the lines! It’s not about the taxi ride, it’s not about the reprimand, it’s about the severity of the penalty. The 10 place grid penalty is unnecessary. A fine would be suffice.

    Oh and yes I know why Webber gotta the penalty, 3 strikes! Still my opinion stands

    • A fine would be suffice.

      Drivers can’t be punished by fines anymore. That’s something the drivers themselves pushed for.

      A reprimand is the lowest possible action.

    • The fact is, the reprimand was essentially given because of where Alonso stopped, that’s what caused the dangerous situation

      That is why Alonso got a penalty.

      Webebr got a penalty because he ran on the track in the path of oncoming cars. Now, you could argue that Webber had to run like that because Alonso parked carelessly. But if that was so, why did Webber go around the car and sit on the left side-pod? He could have chosen to sit on the right side-pod which was closer to him. It would have been faster and Nico Rosberg wouldn’t have had to take a sharp turn to avoid him.

      A fine would be suffice

      The drivers themselves (through GPDA – of which Webber is a past director, I think) abolished the monetary fines because the super-license fee was hiked a lot last year.

  6. Garns (@) said on 24th September 2013, 14:19

    Alot of anti-Mark sentiment comments on this post but we all know you can argue a certain premise to justify your opinion on a driver.

    @keithcollantine – back to your original post re: Webber’s penalty was handed down in two fold. One- the fact he put himself in a dangerous position- yes you can trust the guys at 200 miles but they will still take off your legs at 60 miles if you are on track when you should not be and 2) Its his third reprimand- then needed to make the example. The automatic “3 strikes you are out” is not fair but they know he seems to be letting off some steem and dont want it out of control.

    If you think about it logically Alonso is probably more at fault as he pulled over but could of driven by. It shows the “lift” was not really an issue, but how Mark has had a few issues with them this year!!

    As “old school” the Mansell pick up Senna is one of the best memories I have as a kid- I dont think it should be ruled out but they need to be smart if they do it- an F1 car on a warm down is still fast isnt it??

  7. Didn’t anyone watch the GP2 race and see the accident on the slowdown lap.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGi7H9rSVHI

  8. Look at this picture (“they too were punished” said Webber… :P)

    http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/3016/izoi.jpg

    Richie Ghinter driving a Honda RA 272, Innes Ireland & Jo Bonnier “riding it”. It was in Clemont-Ferrand, 1965 (French G.P.)

  9. Journeyer (@journeyer) said on 24th September 2013, 16:18

    No interaction at all? The video seems to show otherwise: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dotonline/9878152885/

  10. GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 24th September 2013, 16:34

    For the record, Article 30.9 of the sporting regulations:

    During the period commencing fifteen minutes prior to and ending five minutes after every practice session and the period between the commencement of the formation lap which immediately precedes the race and the time when the last car enters the parc fermé, no one is allowed on the track, the pit entry or the pit exit with the exception of :

    a) Marshals or other authorised personnel in the execution of their duty.

    b) Drivers when driving or on foot, having first received permission to do so from a marshal.

    c) Team personnel when either pushing a car or clearing equipment from the grid after all cars able to do so have left the grid on the formation lap.

    d) Team personnel when assisting marshals to remove a car from the grid after the start of the race.

    e) Team personnel working on a car on the grid during a race suspension in accordance with Article 41.4.

    • Paul2013 said on 24th September 2013, 16:57

      FRO THE RECORD, ALL OF THEM DID THE SAME THING! AND NO ONE WAS PUNISHED

      1979 French Grand Prix – Jochen Mass and Jacky Ickx

      1979 U.S. Grand Prix – Alan Jones and Clay Regazzoni

      1986 German Grand Prix – Finn Keke Rosberg and Nelson Piquet

      1986 Mexico Grand Prix – Nelson Piquet and Phillippe Alliot/Stefan Johansson/Rene Arnoux

      1987 German Grand Prix – Nelson Piquet and Alain Prost

      1987 Italian Grand Prix – Satoru Nakajima and Ayrton Senna

      1988 Hungarian Grand Prix – Gerhard Berger and Nigel Mansell

      1988 Japanese Grand Prix – Stefan Johansson and Gerhard Berger

      1988 Japanese Grand Prix – Gerhard Berger and Derek Warwick

      1991 British Grand Prix – Nigel Mansell and Ayrton Senna

      1993 Monaco Grand Prix – Gerhard Berger and Alessandro Zanardi

      1993 German Grand Prix – Thierry Boutsen and Jyrki Juhani Järvilehto

      1995 German Grand Prix – David Coulthard and Rubens Barrichello

      1995 Canadian Grand Prix – Schumacher and Alesi

      1997 German Grand Prix – Schumacher and Fisichella

      2001 Spanish Grand Prix – Coulthard and Hakkinen

      2011 German Grand Prix – Webber and Alonso

      • Andreas said on 24th September 2013, 17:30

        Do you know for a fact that all of them entered the track without permission (was there even such a rule back then?), or stopped the car on the racing line in a blind corner? The reprimands in this case we’re not issued for the taxi ride itself, but for the dangerous way it started. And they were issued in relation to today’s regulations – old examples may not have any relevance, as they might have happened under different regulations.

      • GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 24th September 2013, 19:27

        Your confusing the reason Webber got the reprimand.

        The reprimand was not for getting a lift on Alonso’s car, They had no issue with that, The reprimand was purely because Mark didn’t gain permission of the marshal’s to go back onto the circuit.
        And for Alonso stopping his car in a dangerous place.

  11. Paul2013 said on 24th September 2013, 16:42

    Derek Warwick, one of the stewards at Singapore, agreed with punishing Webber BUT he did the same thing in 1998, Gerhard Berger picked him up with his ¡ferrari!

    Funny, it was just identical, but contrary to his opinion now, he was not punished for it.

    • Paul2013 said on 24th September 2013, 16:45

      1988 Japanese Grand Prix – Gerhard Berger and Derek Warwick

    • The reprimand was not for the lift. That has been explained a couple of times in this blog already, I would advice you to read it.

      • Paul2013 said on 24th September 2013, 17:39

        That is just comical, WEBBER had permission to be on the track HE WAS RACING! HE WAS ON THE TRACK and his car broke down! AND ALONSO PICKED HIM UP!

        That is just the most hilarious excuse I’ve ever seen!

        • You’re wrong again. He had already left the track, and then re-entered, and the rules forbid such actions.

          Once more I advice you to inform yourself about what exactly happened.

          • Paul2013 said on 24th September 2013, 18:17

            So according to you every pilot “driving or on foot” that left the car track need permission again… uuua! be careful with the curves men! if you leave the track you need permission to come back!

            He was racing, he had permission, he found a way to come back after his car broke down (alonso´s car) and he took it. end of the story.

          • Yes, every pilot that leaves the track needs permission to enter again. That’s not according to me, that’s according to the rules. That’s why we got a reprimand.

            I’m not sure what exactly is not clear about that, it’s quite simple: He left the track, needed permission to enter again, didn’t have such a permission, got reprimand. Easy peasy.

          • “Although the race had finished, article 30.9 of F1’s sporting regulations is still in force, which means drivers cannot run on to the track without permission from marshals.”

            From Autosport. It doesn’t get any clearer than that.

          • GT Racer (@gt-racer) said on 24th September 2013, 20:03

            @Paul2013

            If a driver stops his car out on track be it due to a spin, crash or mechanical failure, As soon as he gets out of his car he’s then under the instruction of the marshals.

            If he wishes to go back towards the circuit be it to get a lift off another driver after the race has ended, Or to run across the track to get to the other side in order to return to the pits (During the race), He MUST first gain permission from the marshal’s.

  12. curious said on 24th September 2013, 16:52

    I’d like to see an interview of the Marshall who told webber to stay of the track to get his point of view on the incident.

  13. When I saw the video, I understood why he was penalised for. First I thought the decision was foolish, but the video shows why it’s necessary to encourage these kind of decissions. And I liked the postcard pic that the hitchhike brought, but what fans like is not necessarily the safest thing to do when cars go around at “slow” 100 kph.

  14. It wouldn’t have been comical if he’d had his legs ripped off by a Mercedes front wing…

  15. Hairpin (@hairpin) said on 24th September 2013, 23:56

    Maybe this has some relevance to Alonso’s penalty
    43.3 After receiving the end-of-race signal all cars must proceed on the circuit directly to the post
    race parc fermé without any unnecessary delay, without receiving any object whatsoever and
    without any assistance (except that of the marshals if necessary).
    30.13 At no time may a car be driven unnecessarily slowly, erratically or in a manner which could be
    deemed potentially dangerous to other drivers or any other person. This will apply whether
    any such car is being driven on the track, the pit entry or the pit lane.
    And this for Webber
    30.9 During the period commencing fifteen minutes prior to and ending five minutes after every
    practice session and the period between the commencement of the formation lap which
    immediately precedes the race and the time when the last car enters the parc fermé, no one
    is allowed on the track, the pit entry or the pit exit with the exception of :
    a) Marshals or other authorised personnel in the execution of their duty.
    b) Drivers when driving or on foot, having first received permission to do so from a
    marshal.

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