2010 F1 teams list to be announced (Update: FIA has revealed list)

How many teams will be on the FIA's entry list for 2010?

How many teams will be on the FIA's entry list for 2010?

Today the FIA is due to finally announce its F1 teams entry list for 2010 – the consequences of which could be far-reaching for Formula 1.

There have been signs in recent days that Max Mosley and the eight remaining teams represented by FOTA might be close to a compromise solution.

The list published by the FIA today will tell us whether it believes a compromise is workable or if it’s resigned to driving many of the existing teams out of the sport.

Update: The FIA’s list has been published – see the comments for details.

The row has dragged on for so long that, amid all the talk of a breakaway championships and changes in the technical regulations, it’s easy to lose sight of what’s important.

What began as a discussion on how to guarantee the long-term future at the sport has turned into a conflict that arguably places it in even greater jeopardy than the recession does.

Max Mosley insisted that, as none of the manufacturer teams had agreed to commit to Formula 1 for the future, it is essential that F1 run to a budget cap.

Although he has still not conceded that fundamental point, yesterday it emerged that he had suddenly yielded on several key areas – for example, potentially allowing a cap of ??100m which is more than the ??47m originally proposed.

Mosley remains fixed on the idea of a budget cap despite the FOTA teams having offered him the commitment he demanded until at least 2012. One therefore has to ask whether what he really wanted all along was not a commitment from the teams to stay in F1, but something else.

Among the points conceded by Mosley yesterday were:

  • Potential increase of the cap to ??100m followed by a ‘glide’ towards a lower limit
  • Exemptions from the budget cap for highly-paid staff other than drivers
  • Not giving performance advantages to budget-capped teams
  • Signing of a new Concorde Agreement (to define the future governance of the sport and distribution of income)

Aside from sticking to his plan for some form of a cap, this amounts to a U-turn on almost every one of Mosley’s positions. But one thing is conspicuously missing from Mosley’s offer – any mention of reform to the governance of F1.

This has become a significant issue for the teams, tired of the endless political bickering that goes on in Formula 1, and seeing Mosley as the one responsible for it.

Mosley had previously indicated he will make a decision this month on whether he will stand for another term as president of the FIA. Are the teams holding out for an assurance that he will not run again come October?

The point at which reconciliation was the smart thing to do passed a long time ago. Now it is the only thing to do.

As I wrote last week, I firmly believe the FIA should have taken up the teams’ offer of a deal for the next three years. I hope later today we will not be ruing their failure to seize that opportunity.

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174 comments on 2010 F1 teams list to be announced (Update: FIA has revealed list)

  1. Patrickl said on 12th June 2009, 9:31

    One therefore has to ask whether what he really wanted all along was not a commitment from the teams to stay in F1, but something else.

    The budget cap is to ensure new teams are able to enter. Mosley doesn’t just want some of the original teams to promise to stay, but he also wants new entries to fill the field.

    As I wrote last week, I firmly believe the FIA should have taken up the teams’ offer of a deal for the next three years. I hope later today we will not be ruing their failure to seize that opportunity.

    It makes sense that Mosley didn’t publicize his approval or disproval of FOTA’s suggestion right away. Mosley made his round along the new entries to see if they would agree with the higher budget cap for 2010.

  2. sean said on 12th June 2009, 9:57

    If they don’t name the FOTA teams they wont have enough teams to even start a series.Who is going to power them can cosworth make that many engines, gear boxs,what about chassis design and aero do these new teams have the technology to even build these cars.We could have a grid of cars that are lapping in aussie 10sec a lap slower than this year.There is no way max has thought this through at all, this is an egomaniac at his worst.And they cant get any faster as there under a cap this is just a very very bad joke.

  3. PJA said on 12th June 2009, 10:31

    Assuming all the current teams are on the list I think the new ones will be USF1, Prodrive and possibly Lola, I hope than non of the teams that are trying to use classic team names to add credibility get in. I agree with previous comments that Toro Rosso will probably be sold soon, but potential buyers may wait till F1 finally has some stability, whenever that will be.

    I still find it hard to believe most of these potential new teams could be fully up and running by the start of next season whatever the rules are.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if everything s not resolved today and it drags on for quite a while.

    By the way is there a set time when the entry list is to be released or is it just due sometime today.

  4. Chris said on 12th June 2009, 10:47

    I thought the list would be out by now.

    But anyhow i think all the FOTA teams will be on the list with a provisional next to them that is the only profesional thing to do if however (and this is 100 to 1 in my opinion put all new teams and get rid of FOTA teams) this forum will light up like a christmas tree on steriods.

    For me the only real intresting thing is if Ferrari and the Red Bull teams have been entered as unconditional or with a provisional tag (because of there signed agreement in 2005)

  5. bad_whippet said on 12th June 2009, 11:00

    Cosworth unwilling to confirm F1 return…

    Interesting quote from Cosworth.

    http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/090612102814.shtml

    So Max, who’s going to supply the engines to your Fisher Price F1 if Cosworth don’t?!!

    We’d have a field of cars running on the trusty old Rover K-Series ;)

    • Chris said on 12th June 2009, 11:10

      Norbert Haug and mercedes benz high performance engines is rubbing his hands togeather.

      Even if Mclarn arnt in F1 the engines are seperate and could still be supplies for a profit!

      • Chris said on 12th June 2009, 11:11

        I would also if i was one of the new teams perfer a Mercedes engine than a Cosworth based on the 2006 unit they supplied to williams.

        • bad_whippet said on 12th June 2009, 11:19

          Most definitely.

          They’d have to rewrite the rules again though, because there’s a limit to the number of teams a manufacturer can supply engines to.

          Still, it’s not like they ever bend the rules is it… ;)

    • Nah, Cosworth didn’t want to say anything before the FIA release.

      Here’s their press statement:
      http://www.cosworth.com/Default.aspx?id=1097019

    • Laconic said on 13th June 2009, 7:44

      Thinking back to some of the classic racing of the Rover days, that might not be such a bad idea, LOL

      And I’m sure by now everyone has seen the list of entrants for 2010.

      I think those who mentioned that all the drama may have been a bit of Machiavellian maneuvering by Max to set himself up as the hero who saved F1 may have a point. And now we see his next move–Ferrari, Toro Rosso & Red Bull are regular entries, no little asterick by their names. If they protest, he can point to them as the ones trying to ruin F1. Oh what wicked webs he weaves.

      In another forum I commented that forcing a beer budget on a champagne series was ludicrous, that F1 is the royalty of motorsport and it should be left to the teams to determine spending. If any team can’t stand the financial heat, then get out of the kitchen. If I want to see tightly controlled and budget-controlled racing, I’ll go watch some other series. That isn’t what I expect from F1.

  6. All 8 FOTA teams make entry list – According to initial reports, all 8 FOTA teams are included in the FIA’s entry list for 2010 …

    http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_news_item.php?fes_art_id=38158

  7. hollus said on 12th June 2009, 11:05

    The Spanish press (AS, Marca) is reporting that “Campos is in and Epsilon Euskadi is out” in the list published by the FIA. They do not publish the list, though.
    Where is the list?! Any links?

  8. FIA announces 2010 F1 entry list

    Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro Ferrari
    Scuderia Toro Rosso STR TBA
    Red Bull Racing Red Bull Racing TTBA
    At&T Williams Williams Toyota
    Force India F1 Team Force India Mercedes
    Campos Grand Prix Campos Cosworth
    Manor Grand Prix Manor Cosworth
    Team US F1 Team US F1 Cosworth
    Vodafone McLaren Mercedes* McLaren Mercedes
    BMW Sauber F1 Team* BMW Sauber
    Renault F1 Team* Renault
    Panasonic Toyota Racing* Toyota
    Brawn GP Formula One Team* Brawn TBA

    * These five teams have submitted conditional entries.The FIA has invited them to lift those conditions following further discussions to be concluded not later than close of business on Friday 19 June.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76045

    • bad_whippet said on 12th June 2009, 11:12

      Here’s a link to the FIA press release… not that it actually gives any more information!

      I’m really surprised Prodrive aren’t on the list, a bit disappointed too.

    • Rabi said on 12th June 2009, 11:47

      Like I thought they are going to name them but not exclude them.

      Max will not get rid of the teams as I suggested in the earlier post so the ball is back in FOTA’s court. All they need to say is to either say we will enter or we won’t. I begin to really wonder what the actual status is with the contracts Bernie has the teams signed up on if they can leave without penalties or if some are applied.

      I also wonder about the bond that the FOTA teams signed recently, £50m for not breaking ranks between them (manufacturers only) how would that take affect if Ferrari do enter?

    • TommyB said on 12th June 2009, 12:58

      What a joke. Manor racing?!!?! Who’s going to support them. Everyone wants to see someone like Aston in F1. Not MANOR!!

    • The three new teams are all using the Cosworth engine. That’s why they were picked: they are following Mosley’s new idea of a spec series, basically.

  9. PJA said on 12th June 2009, 11:22

    Considering we were told all the FOTA teams submitted a joint conditional entry, is Max trying to use his old tactic of divide and conquer by only granting entry to Ferrari, Red Bull and Toro Rosso while telling the other five Brawn, McLaren, Renault BMW and Toyota they have to lift their conditions.

    Well I suppose I was right in saying that it wouldn’t be sorted today.

  10. GQsm said on 12th June 2009, 11:22

    Manor Motorsport. Not read much about them. Turns out they are an F3 team based in Dinnington, South Yorkshire.

    http://manormotorsport.mfbiz.com

  11. Giuseppe said on 12th June 2009, 11:24

    What a joke. Goodbye Max and Bernie. Power hungry and greedy. Teams are tired of the power games

  12. Eddie Irvine said on 12th June 2009, 11:32

    Lola, Prodrive and Lightspeed out??? what are they thinking, ok you just keep racing with energy drinks and national teams. Imagine a battle between Force India and USF1, ths is just A1Gp not Formula 1. Very dissapointed
    I hoped that a team like toro Rosso(customer chassis) will be dropped and some old names like Lotus, Lola and Aston Martin wil be in but nooo Max execute the worst case scenario

  13. Prisoner Monkeys said on 12th June 2009, 11:45

    Are people just not reading the article? Or are they only reading the bits they want to? I’m thinking t’s the latter, because veryone is missing this part:

    AUTOSPORT understands there are three or four other teams who are close to being granted entries, and dialogue is still ongoing.

    So, if any one of the five teams decide to withdraw – either owing to the budget cap or, as Renault suggested, because of a donturn in sales in their road car division – you can bet those three or four teams will step up to the plate. And it wouldn’t surprise me if the FIA deliberately included Prodrive and Lola in that list. The reason being that they’re larger, established organsiations and they can afford to purchase the remains of an old team. The FIA obviously expect someone to pull the plug on their F1 project, though whether because of the budget cap or for another reason is unclear! (I put that bit in italics so that people don’t put words in my mouth by saying it’s proof that the FIA are morons.)

    • Navs said on 12th June 2009, 11:56

      Nice theory there Prisoner Monkeys.

    • That could very well be. Perhaps:
      » Lola and Prodrive could team up as they did for their Le Mans LMP1 effort and take over the Renault team in Enstone, while;
      » Superfund take over Scuderia Toro Rosso, run them from Italy for a number of seasons and then take them to Austria.

      Oh, and Epsilon Euskadi might still be in line for cooperation with USF1.

      • ajokay said on 12th June 2009, 12:52

        If Lola and Prodrive do team up, their resulting car better be as good looking as the LMP1 monster they have at Le Mans this weekend. Would it be a first to have a blue and orange Gulf F1 car?

        • matt said on 12th June 2009, 13:55

          I don’t think gulf would work on an F1 car. I saw a rendering of what it could look like the other week and the central stripe made it look tall and slab sided. Good on LeMans cars, not on F1 cars.

          And that is an interesting theory. I reckon even if the regulations are sorted properly we’ll still see a couple of teams leave simply because it won’t be sorted out smoothly or decisively.

  14. Oliver said on 12th June 2009, 11:53

    @EddieIrvan
    Lotus would just have been a name only not spirit. Likely to have come with litigation. Prodrive/Aston Martin was only a half attempt, with David Richardson wanting all the planets to be aligned before he thinks it worthwhile to participate. As for Lola, I’m sure the FIA remembers the last time the attempted to race in F1 and how it ended.

    As for the provisional entries for 5 of the FOTA teams, lets await FOTA’s response.

    • Gman said on 15th June 2009, 2:01

      I agree with what you have said, although I believe the Lola of today has bene bought out and remade by the new owner in such a fashion that it is essentially a new company from the one that tried the F1 grid some years back.

  15. Clare msj said on 12th June 2009, 12:17

    I’m pleased with the three new entries, USF1 and Campos were the two ones I definitely wanted anyways and the third I wasnt too decided about – and Manor (is it Manor Motorsport that Raikkonen drove for in FRenault or is it someone else?) seems fine to me – they must have been a strong entry to beat the likes of Prodrive.

    Also very pleased that all the current teams are on the list, even if some are only provisional. It gives some hope that comething will be resolved.

    I would have thought Prodrive were at least on the reserve list surely. They were the only other one i thought had a strong chance.

    I seem to be in a minority, having read a couple of other message boards around the place, in being glad that Toro Rosso remain. I know theres the link with Red Bull and all that, but they are ex-Minardi, and have a lot more character to them than some of the other teams.

    As for the iconic names not being included, just because a team carries the name from a famous predecessor does not make them
    a) as good as they once were, and thats if they are even the same company as it was before, which in a few of them is not the case at all
    and b) any better, or stronger in competition than USF1, Campos or Manor will be. Same goes for any big name – who can say that Aston Martin/Prodrive or Lola will be any better than those who did get accepted

    Campos and Manor (I am assuming it is Manor Motorsport)have a good history in motorsport, just not F1 – they are just as deserving as any other team. And USF1 have been vocal about entry for ages, long before many of the potential entries had even mentioned it (well bar Prodrive who have been lurking around F1 for a good while). Good luck to all three new teams. Have already developed a soft spot for the Campos entry, so I’m glad they got included!

    • Tim said on 12th June 2009, 14:56

      (is it Manor Motorsport that Raikkonen drove for in FRenault or is it someone else?)

      I think it was Manor that Raikkonen drove for in his FRenault title year. Lewis Hamilton also drove for Manor in FRenault and his first year of the F3 Euroseries, before switching to ASM the following year.

      Manor getting an entry is a surprise but the involvement of its technical partner isn’t. Wirth Research – whose founder, Nick Wirth, was previously head of Simtek and worked for Benetton in the late 1990s – has done work for Max Mosley and the FIA. This may well have stood them in good stead to get an entry. The rumour I’d heard was that Wirth’s mystery partner was Penske but obviously that was way off.

  16. have read that Mosley was goin to agree to 100m euros for 2010 and 45m for foll yrs…

    waiting to see USF1 bt nt in the rest of ferrari and etc..

  17. sean said on 12th June 2009, 12:41

    keep up guy’s it’s over Ferrari have said they will not be racing next year statement on there web site.The idiot just played his last card now I hope he walk’s from the room.

    • Laconic said on 13th June 2009, 8:28

      Ah, the gauntlet has been well and truly thrown now.

      Actually, they didn’t say they won’t race at all–
      “For the avoidance of any doubt, Ferrari reaffirms that it shall not take part in the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship under the regulations adopted by the FIA in violation of Ferrari’s rights under a written agreement with the FIA.”

      Of course, Dearest Maxy will no doubt spin it to look like Ferrari broke the deal with FIA, not the other way round–which still allows him to point to others as the ones “ruining” F1.

      It does certainly cause one to wonder what will happen, as I can see Ferrari standing firm, and I cannot see Ferrari not racing. Really does appear to open the door for a breakaway series now.

      BTW, there are several good tracks that I believe would happily host races for another series. And there are, I believe, enough of them with no ties to Bernie to worry about.

      Silverstone, San Marino, Brands Hatch, Watkins Glen, Montreal, Magny Cours, Long Beach or Sears Point(or both), Imola, Monaco(NOT tied to Bernie and sure to host any race with Ferrari in it), Nurburgring, Monza … just to name a few. Not that I’m hoping for a breakaway series. I’d truly rather see Max out of the picture, and F1 settled into a stable governance situation.

      We will have to wait and see.

  18. TommyB said on 12th June 2009, 12:49

    No Prodrive, thats taking the ****

  19. TommyB said on 12th June 2009, 13:02

    Surely teams like Manor and Campos won’t have the money if cost cutting doesn’t go ahead. What a stupid desicion. They should just get rid of BMW, Toyota and Renault if they want to go.

  20. matt said on 12th June 2009, 13:05

    Why no prodrive? With the potential of becoming Aston Martin, maybe the FIA feared more future defiance from another manufacturer. Seriously though, they were selected a few years ago, didn’t compete because the FIA failed to clarify the customer chassis rule (which they still haven’t done) and now they haven’t even been selected, even though they were obvious candidates having been previously choosen. The FIA seems determined not to let them in.

    • TommyB said on 12th June 2009, 17:07

      I was so exciting about the news Aston could be in F1. This dissicion is gutting. Absolutely stupid.

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