Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Five drivers have been been moved down the grid for the Japanese Grand Prix.

They are Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Adrian Sutil, Sebastien Buemi and Fernando Alonso.

However because of the large number of drivers that got penalties, some of them will not lose a full five places. See the Japanese Grand Prix grid.

All of the drivers except Buemi were penalised for failing to slow down sufficiently after Buemi left debris at the exit of Spoon curve during Q2.

Buemi, meanwhile, was punished for driving his broken car back to the pits instead of stopping on the track.

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150 comments on Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

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  1. They deserved the penalties. They were going with 300 km/h through there with not knowing what has happened, a car could be just standing there.

    • Bigbadderboom said on 3rd October 2009, 20:45

      Agreed, it could have been a disaster, watching Jenson pick a route past the debris was cringeworthy, but it shows he has got balls.

  2. SaloolaS said on 3rd October 2009, 11:29

    How come Buemi is penalized, as he was the one that crashed?

    • Buemi has been penalised and reprimanded for attempting to recover a clearly wrecked car to the pits.

      Good decision all round though, that sort of thing is very dangerous.

  3. GP4 Carl said on 3rd October 2009, 11:36


    I get up in the middle of the night for two rainy practice sessions, and then a nice but dull sunny practice 3…..

    But for Quali? I say, nahh, I’ll sleep over and catch the replay in the day…..

    ARRRRGGG!!!!….lol. Missed most exciting Quali in a long time by the looks of things.

  4. Rob Wilson said on 3rd October 2009, 11:37

    because he tried to drive back to the pits with a wrecked car with debris going all over the track, and getting in peoples way as he crawled back to the pits.

  5. thats a bit rubbish for rubans….if glock dosnt race, button has made a place up over him already

  6. buemi got the penalty because he continued to drive on track with a badly damaged car. ALonso deserved that, he wnated to sink other drivers to benefit from their penalties but in the end he got what he deserved!

    • Carl 27 said on 3rd October 2009, 11:51

      Are you drunk? Alonso was lifting the foot, the others took advantage of the yellow flag. he lost his flying lap because of the incident.

      • Salty said on 3rd October 2009, 12:04

        Alonso didn’t lift in initial yellow flag. Only once he saw Buemi at 130R and in doing so compromised his lap.

      • ronmon said on 3rd October 2009, 17:21

        Here is Fernando’s version of what happened. He says that he lifted when he saw the yellow, but it may have been late as the officials saw it. In fact, he entered the pit and did not complete the lap. Contrast that to the Brawn cars that went through the yellow flat, and got their only timed lap of Q3.

        All is not said and done on the issue, as can be seen on the F1 web site.

        To quote:

        Note that the final starting order may change depending on the order in which penalties were deemed to have been applied. A final grid will be published by the FIA on Sunday morning.

        I don’t know who was where on the track, but that might have something to do with it. If they disallow the ill-gotten times of the Brawn boys, who knows where they’ll start?

  7. Salty said on 3rd October 2009, 11:46

    Well, had to be done. Glad to see Alonso nailed as well, he has been crowing about expecting to move up the grid due to others improving their time.

    “I’m sure tomorrow I’ll start a lot higher than 12th,” he said.
    “As soon as you see the yellow flag you have to lift off, and you have to be cautious because you don’t know what’s going to happen 20 meters later, maybe there’s a front wing or two cars blocking the track… I don’t know what the other people did. I only know what I did, that was lifting off quite late unfortunately but it’s when I saw the yellow flag… It was a little bit late from myself, but to be honest I lifted when I saw the yellow flag. Maybe it’s late, but hopefully it’s okay.”

    Hadn’t noticed Sutil improving as well, but it was obvious that Buemi needed to be penalised for continuing to drive his badly damage Torro Rosso around the track, with the implicit danger of leaving debris around the last sector of Suzuka.

    It does rather make a nonsense of the grid, where Kovi, Glock and Jaime, who actually caused red flag periods, will end up ahead of racers who completed the session unscathed.

    • JHunt said on 3rd October 2009, 14:11

      Maybe should make rule anyone that cause red flag automatically goto the back, that would prevent the Schumi/Monaco type of ‘accident’ too …

  8. Funny, Alonso said just hours ago that he did back off but others deserved penalties…

    Question: How do they judge this? Wasn’t some of them on their first timed lap of the session? How do they decide that someone was going too fast?

    • They can see from the data I’m sure.

      Even with a slightly heavier car if you plotted the speeds of one lap with the other they should be similarly shaped, if they slowed for the yellow flag there would be a clear change on the “normal” shape.

      • Bigbadderboom said on 3rd October 2009, 20:48

        Alonso took his time to calculate, then tried to exploit the situation by highlighting the Brawn cars discretion, safety must remain paramount in current motorsport, and Alonso was as guilty as the rest and they all got a just penalty, they will think about it next time, which is the whole point.

  9. Definitely deserved, will make a very interesting race.

    Does anybody know if Brawn’s will get opportunity to choose a different fuel load, given they’ve dropped out of top 10?

  10. Ned Flanders said on 3rd October 2009, 11:54

    Absolutely the right call- I just hope this isn’t another Bernie Ecclestone influenced decision, to try and prevent Button from winning the title too early.

  11. t1cee said on 3rd October 2009, 12:07

    It was definitely the right decision, the yellow flags are there to be heeded.
    I am not a Vettel fan, but I want the gap closed, Button has got it too easy.

  12. Prisoner Monkeys said on 3rd October 2009, 12:07

    Fernando Alonso after qualifying: “I expect to be much higher than 12th”

    Fernando Alonso after penalties: 17th.

    Do not advance to Ferrari. Do not collect 20€ million salary.

  13. Prisoner Monkeys said on 3rd October 2009, 12:23

    Heikki Kovalainen has changed his gearbox, sending him down to 13th.

    One less moving chicane for Brawn to avoid.

    • Salty said on 3rd October 2009, 12:29

      Well spotted, and Glock moves to back of grid as needs new chassis – if he races at all.

      Blimey, all change then.

  14. George said on 3rd October 2009, 12:24

    Good call, sensible penalty too considering the amount of cars involved.

  15. Alonso haters really **** me off. The guy was concerned and he did slow down in his lap, and his hopes for going up some spots was completely natural and valid… any pilot would hope for that, I’d expect them to, at least. Too bad for him that he didn’t do it until it was too late, but that’s absolutely no reason the ridicule him… You people gotta stop with this… I was a Hamilton hater and trust me, Alonso haters sound just like Hamilton haters; stupid, juvenile and ignorant. That’s why I stopped with all the “Hamilton sucks” thing. They’re both good drivers, they’re both liars and they’re both arrogant. Get over it.

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