Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Both Brawns and three others have bene moved down the grid

Five drivers have been been moved down the grid for the Japanese Grand Prix.

They are Jenson Button, Rubens Barrichello, Adrian Sutil, Sebastien Buemi and Fernando Alonso.

However because of the large number of drivers that got penalties, some of them will not lose a full five places. See the Japanese Grand Prix grid.

All of the drivers except Buemi were penalised for failing to slow down sufficiently after Buemi left debris at the exit of Spoon curve during Q2.

Buemi, meanwhile, was punished for driving his broken car back to the pits instead of stopping on the track.

Japanese Grand Prix

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150 comments on Button, Barrichello, Alonso, Sutil and Buemi get five-place grid penalties

  1. MacademiaNut said on 3rd October 2009, 17:01

    And on top of all that BUT makes a statement that “he doesn’t want to win a title by cheating, like Schumacher”. This is “cheating” except it’s unlike Schumacher.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 17:52

      I always criticise penalties when the stewards get them wrong, but I think they did the right think here.

      • Macademianut said on 3rd October 2009, 19:20

        I agree that they got it half right. They should have invalidated that lap time for BUT and BAR, which would have not let them get to Q3 at all. It’s not fair that ALO who set a time in Q2 gets to start 16, while BAR and BUT start well ahead.

        • steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 21:39

          I agree, I can’t understand why they effectively kept the laps and then arranged what place they would be in when Alonso backed off meaning he wouldn’t get into q3 at all.

  2. nick_jp said on 3rd October 2009, 18:29

    massa should try to obey alonso’s rules, otherwise:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMieRlRLzPw

    :P

  3. Gusto said on 3rd October 2009, 18:36

    Even though the penalties are deserved I find Buemi`s interesting when you think of the state that some Cars make it back to the Pits, Schumi Spa 98 springs to mind.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 19:16

      They’ve changed the rules since then. Buemi’s penalty is pretty much consistent with Vettel’s at Melbourne this year and Alonso’s at Hungary.

  4. i say this every grand prix weekend, tomorrow will be an amazing GP got to back vettel i am a lewis fan but he tends to play “wacky races” sometimes and i think it could be one of those days tomorrow.
    anyone got a quid on heidfeld??????did not think so!

    • S Hughes said on 3rd October 2009, 22:36

      but he tends to play “wacky races” sometimes

      That’s funny. As a fellow Hamilton fan, I too have that fear going into the first corner.

  5. sato113 said on 3rd October 2009, 19:25

    surely the 5 yellow flag penalties were given at the same time? then the FIA were right to move them all in one block…

  6. kitty said on 3rd October 2009, 19:30

    In the scenario that if they did slow down with the yellow flag and the qualifying time was up…but some of the cars did’nt even complete one lap in q3, what happens then? what times will they count? i think this is what forced the 4 drivers to continue even when the yellow flag was out..because there was no time left for q3 and they had not put in a good lap or no lap till then

  7. Gusto said on 3rd October 2009, 20:30

    If 5 Drivers fail to slow in a yellow flag zone, would you question `the yellow flag zone` or the Drivers?.

    • F1Low said on 3rd October 2009, 20:51

      The drivers…. It was clearly yellow flagged, it had flashing lights.

      If it was another team other than Brawn people wouldn’t be arguing the decision.

  8. Regulations say: “grid position penalties will be applied to the drivers in question in the order the offences were committed”
    So i think BUEMI “offence” has to be settled after Alonso’s and BEFORE BARRICHELLO, BUTTON, SUTIL etc….
    That’s my Grid: http://www.betpusher.com/formula1-suzuka-la-nuova-ipotetica-griglia-di-partenza-cambiano-gli-scenari-di-gioco/

    bye

    • EthicsGrad said on 4th October 2009, 15:25

      You were almost right; but Barichello started ahead of Rosberg. I think that means the penalties were applied in the order:

      Alonso
      Barichello
      Buemi
      Button
      Sutil
      Kovalainen

      Why Buemi is between Barichello and Button, I can’t tell.

  9. Gusto said on 3rd October 2009, 20:41

    Buemi for speeding through a yellow flag :-)

  10. Stevey Wonder said on 3rd October 2009, 20:51

    While I agree that speeding under a yellow flag is dangerous the concept of qualifying under a yellow flag is ludicrous! I mean what’s the point? They should red flag it immediately and add a lap time to the time remaining so that drivers on their hot lap are not disadvantaged

    • TommyB said on 3rd October 2009, 21:02

      People shouldn’t have left it too late. It was risky enough because of the number of red flags before.

    • Exactly, except for the small problem of TV programme re-schedulling :)

      • MacademiaNut said on 4th October 2009, 2:44

        It’s only the telecast of live events that’s even keeping the TV companies alive. Almost everything is a re-run or pre-recorded, which could be downloaded..

  11. Jota (Spanish :P) said on 3rd October 2009, 21:13

    Singapur…Alonso says 2 or 3 times thanks to Briattore. maFIA don´t want him talking about Flavio in the next race, so better send Alonso far away from podium.

  12. The sensible way to solve this in future is simple: any driver who passes through a sector with a yellow flag gets the laptime cancelled. No questions asked, doesn’t matter how fast or slow the driver went though the sector.

    Any driver who causes a red flag goes to the back of the grid and takes no further part in the session. (in the case of more than one red flag the driver who caused the flag latest in the session goes to the back, other other red flag drivers line up in front of him in reverse flag causing order.)

    And penalties are applied based on qualifying position. (ie qualify 5th and get a 5 place penalty – you start 10th, doesn’t matter what other penalties are given to other drivers (unless one driver gets a 5 place penalty and another gets a 2 place penalty or something and end up requiring the same place – then the driver with the greatest penalty drops the extra place.)

    • Martin said on 4th October 2009, 0:51

      Well this is one area where the americans have it right for quailifying. Each car goes out on its own and has the track to itself it gets 1 warmup lap a flying lap and a cool down lap and half way on the cool down is the next car let out to start its warm up lap. No one else is on the track so there are no issues. If he wrecks the the qualifying is shut down until the track is clear again and they continue.

  13. Unfortunately, Timo will not race in Suzuka:

    The second Toyota team with driver Timo Glock won’t be starting the Japanese Grand Prix – despite the team claiming that a decision will be taken on Sunday morning.

    FIA sources have confirmed that the German will not be on the grid having had stitches in a leg wound after his huge crash in qualifying.

    […]

    However the rules state that any driver who starts a GP must take part in Saturday morning practice so the team was given a very definite ‘no.’

    Toyota had hoped to get the other teams to agree to dispensation but the matter
    didn’t get that far.

    ADAM COOPER in SpeedTV:

    http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-glock-out-of-japanese-gp/

  14. steph90 said on 3rd October 2009, 21:43

    Shame about Timo but I did think it would be a lot worse at one point so it is quite a relief. I think it is right too that Toyota can’t have a stand in. Hopefully Glock will be back racing soon.

  15. gospeedracer said on 3rd October 2009, 22:07

    The Brawns needed to improve their time to get into Q3. They had one and only chance. By slowing down for the yellow, they would not have been able to improve their times and therefore stay in the lower position.

    Looks like dammed you do and dammed if you don’t.

    • Macademianut said on 4th October 2009, 4:22

      In this case, they improved their chances as they should have been 14 and 15, but they start higher than that. Looks like a winner to me by speeding under yellow flag.

  16. KEV J said on 3rd October 2009, 22:14

    I watched it live and as far as I could see the incident was over when Button and co arrived, it was just a slow car trying to make it back to the pits by then. Also, even though the data was available, Button was only on his first lap. I wonder how far some of these stewards and FIA officials will go to stop a British driver winning the title, just take a look at last year!

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 3rd October 2009, 22:43

      It doesn’t matter that the incident was over, there was still debris on track, that’s why the yellow flags were out.

      • 000o0 said on 4th October 2009, 1:26

        Even the broadcast pictures looked very dangerous. Rubens cant have missed the broken front wing by more than a couple of meters. I definitely agree with the penalties.

    • Macademianut said on 4th October 2009, 4:24

      Please don’t insult the public by saying that the stewards are acting against a brit.

      In this case, it is a pretty sweet deal for BUT and BAR. They should have cancelled those lap times and then should have applied the five place penalty. That would have forced BUT and BAR to start pretty much dead last.

  17. John H said on 3rd October 2009, 23:24

    So Alonso didn’t see the big flashing yellow screen?

    I don’t believe anything this man says anymore.

  18. kitty said on 4th October 2009, 1:18

    Jaime Alguersuari in position 8 without even finishing a lap….RIDICULOUS

  19. Roginaldo Reboucas Rocha said on 4th October 2009, 1:50

    The drivers deserved the penalties, and now? Barrichello and Button, Barrichello is in good moment, Button has advantage but Button watch out.

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