Michael Schumacher vs Giuseppe Farina

Champion of champions

The first round in the Champion of Champions pairs up the sport’s most prolific title winner, Michael Schumacher, with the original world champion, Giuseppe Farina.

On the face of it the pair seem to have little in common. These are both drivers that sometimes drew criticism from their peers for their driving, particularly their defensive moves.

But while Farina claimed the first ever world championship for Alfa Romeo in 1950 the following year his team mate Juan Manuel Fangio turned the tables on him.

That’s something that rarely happened to Schumacher, at least until his 2010 comeback when he partnered Nico Rosberg at Mercedes.

Schumacher is of course best known for his record five consecutive championships while driving for Ferrari. His 180-race stint with the Scuderia is the longest any driver in F1 history has remained with a single team.

Which of these drivers should go through to the next round of the Champion of Champions? Vote for which you think was best below and explain who you voted for and why in the comments.

Michael Schumacher Giuseppe Farina
Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2010 Giuseppe Farina
Titles 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 1950
Second in title year/s Damon Hill, Damon Hill, Mika Hakkinen, David Coulthard, Rubens Barrichello, Kimi R??ikk??nen, Rubens Barrichello Juan Manuel Fangio
Teams Jordan, Benetton, Ferrari, Mercedes Alfa Romeo, Ferrari
Notable team mates Nelson Piquet, Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello Juan Manuel Fangio, Alberto Ascari, Mike Hawthorn
Starts 268 33
Wins 91 (33.96%) 5 (15.15%)
Poles 68 (25.37%) 5 (15.15%)
Modern points per start1 14.05 13.55
% car failures2 8.21 15.15
Modern points per available finish3 15.30 15.96
Notes Missed several races in 1999 after breaking his leg at Silverstone Had several non-championship Grand Prix successes before 1950
Retired in 2006 after 11 seasons with Ferrari Badly burned in a crash at Monza in 1954
Returned with Mercedes in 2010 Retired the following season, still suffering from his injuries
Bio Michael Schumacher Giuseppe Farina

1 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of races they started
2 The percentage of races in which they were not classified due to a mechanical failure
3 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of starts in which they did not suffer a race-ending mechanical failure

Which was the better world champion driver?

  • Michael Schumacher (86%)
  • Giuseppe Farina (14%)

Total Voters: 711

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140 comments on Michael Schumacher vs Giuseppe Farina

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  1. Schumi was best. However, Farina (although for me I’d probably never rate him alongside Schumi) was passed his best by the time the F1 championship started and I feel he was better than he’s usually rated.

    As you’ve kicked off with farina I’ll wander off topic and say that Nuvolari was around Farina’s time and if he was in this I’d rather him higher than Giuseppe and as one of the all time greats but obviously I can’t here :P

    I love this idea though Keith. It should be a great bit of fun in the off season and stir up some good debate and I’m really excited to see the champions go up against each other with their stats! We’ll never have the joy of seeing the past stars race against this generation but this is probably as close as we’ll ever get to seeing how they’d do :)

    • Yeah, so I’d considered my response for quite some time, an basically you’ve covered it. Pretty much bang on, imma go pick fights with others opinions instead.

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 2nd January 2011, 10:47

      I perfectly agree with Steph here on having to choose Schumi before Farina.

      But Farina was a very good driver, just look at his points per available finish. When also taking in account that in 1950 he was a closing a bit of being comparable to Schumi 2010 on age and being on the downturn, he might have been a lot more successfull had the championship started a few years earlier.

    • There’s no doubt that Farina was brilliant, but it’s hard to pick him ahead of a 7-times World Champion.

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 9th January 2011, 21:02

      How was Schumy partnered with Farina and not someone else? Are the pairs picken randomly?
      Anyway, I’m surprised Farina isn’t far from Schumy.

  2. Pedal to the Vettel (@pedal-to-the-vettel) said on 1st January 2011, 18:24

    oooooooo cruel first voting I believe keith.

  3. Icthyes (@icthyes) said on 1st January 2011, 18:24

    Schumacher, no contest. The guy re-defined what it meant to be an F1 driver and even if he did benefit from a ridiculously dominant car for two years and a weak opposition in 2001, you really need to be selective to explain away the other four championships.

    By the way Keith, I didn’t find this on the main page, I had to go through the Polls section, it wasn’t even in the “Champion of Champions Articles” category linked in yesterday’s article. Some kind of mistake? Using Chrome btw.

    • US_Peter (@us_peter) said on 1st January 2011, 19:03

      I’m using Chrome and it appeared right on the front page for me…

    • sw6569 (@sw6569) said on 1st January 2011, 19:05

      I agree with Icthyes. This is a particularly difficult matchup as well because the two drivers are as far apart as could possibly be in terms of eras. I’d go so far as to say its impossible to compare the two as they are in such stark contrast to each other, but I suppose that criticism can be levelled at any of these matchups.

      As rightly pointed out though by Icthyes, Schumacher defined the modern F1 driver. That may or may not be to the benefit of the sport, but the current grid are modelled after him more than anyone else.

      • That’s true, because we can’t compare I suppose it’s best to look at them in terms of lasting impact. Still, when it comes down to comparing the lasting impact of say, Fangio and Schumacher, that is where the problems start.

        • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 2nd January 2011, 10:43

          Both well said. It is also a difficult choice because we have so much less data on Farina.

          That is of course the trouble with doing this. Still, it we can do our best. I had to choose Schumacher – although in a way I would have liked a “not enough data to decide” option on Farina.

  4. Archimedas (@archimedas) said on 1st January 2011, 18:25

    This time Schumi, but all in all Fangio forever!

    • Chris (@chris) said on 2nd January 2011, 9:03

      And the sadest thing is that Juan Manuel was still alive when Ayrton passed away…

      Poor Juan … He had to support the pain of loosing the Brazilian hero of motor racing

      If I weel remember, Juan himself did not consider to be the greatest driver himself but he thought Ayrton deserved that place…

  5. olivier (@olivier) said on 1st January 2011, 18:25

    Schumacher, hands down

  6. RIISE (@riise) said on 1st January 2011, 18:33

    Haha what a cruel first face-off. Schumacher no doubt.

    • Daniel said on 2nd January 2011, 1:25

      There are two all-time records where Farina sits ahead of Schumacher.

      Oldest race winner: Farina (46) is 2nd to Fagoli (53).

      Oldest Champion: Farina (43) is 2nd to Fangio (46).

      Schumacher is currently 41 (he turns 42 tomorrow), but hasn’t won a race since 2006 nor a championship since 2004. If he were to win in Bahrain he’d go to 7th on the oldest race winners list. If he continues to 2012 he has a shot of knocking Farina off on the oldest Champion list, but unless his plans change he’s not going to get near him for oldest race winner. Nor is he likely to ever top either list. I’d love to see him do so though. ;)

  7. JMF-thebestever (@jmf-thebestever) said on 1st January 2011, 18:34

    Voted for Shumi but when the time comes you don’t need to be rocket scientist to figure out who will get my final vote.

  8. Slr (@slr) said on 1st January 2011, 18:39

    No contest, Michael Schumacher. Farina never captured as much attention as Schumacher, when you talk about the greatest Formula One drivers, you never hear a mention for Farina. Even drivers like Stirling Moss and Gilles Villeneuve who never won a championship get mentioned more. When you hear someone talking about Formula One in the ’50s or ’60s, you rarely hear anything on Farina’s championship success. You normally hear about Clark, Moss, Fangio and Ascari.

    • Daniel said on 2nd January 2011, 1:28

      This is true. You may want to consider that WW2 rather inconveniently occurred during the period in which Farina would have been in his prime though.

  9. M Sakr (@goham) said on 1st January 2011, 18:43

    My vote goes for Schumacher..

    • Daniel said on 2nd January 2011, 1:35

      Yep, hard to argue with 7 championships, 12 finishes in the top 3 of a championship (which would have been 13 if not for the DSQ) and 91 race wins.

    • Duke (@duke) said on 2nd January 2011, 20:38

      Schumacher all the way. Apologies to runner up.

      HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MICHAEL SCHUMACHER FOR TOMORROW 3rd JAN.YOU WILL BE 42YRS OLD.(and still the best of all :)

  10. Radoye (@radoye) said on 1st January 2011, 18:52

    1. Fangio
    2. Schumacher
    3. Prost
    5. Ascari
    6. Clark
    7. Senna
    8. Stewart

  11. newnhamlea1 (@newnhamlea1) said on 1st January 2011, 18:55

    Scumacher is a living legend, I couldnt pick many people over him.

  12. kowalsky said on 1st January 2011, 18:56

    schumacher for sure.
    The only thing that gives farina more value to me, it’s the era he was driving. That era required drivers to have a real chance to die every race, for very little in return.

  13. George (@george) said on 1st January 2011, 19:02

    Farina certainly had better competition than Schumi, beating Fangio is no mean feat. I have to go for Schumacher though, no one else dominated the sport like him.

  14. Calum said on 1st January 2011, 19:04

    At the bit where the page splits in two – with Schuamcher’s info on the left, and Farina’s info on the right – I can’t see the Farino stuff at all.

    I’m using the mobile site on an iPod Touch.

    • LosD (@losd) said on 1st January 2011, 21:10

      The mobile site should just crash and burn in hell. I can’t imagine a single modern phone where the desktop site isn’t better by a mile.

      - And even worse; there is no way to get to the normal site from the mobile site.

      • Calum said on 1st January 2011, 22:05

        It’s not too bad – the commenst display well by taing up the full width of the screen – it’s just pictures are usually cut off (like the one in the title here – and as I say – that piece of information about Farina!

        Also comment replies are out of sync with the comment they are replying too.

  15. Burnout said on 1st January 2011, 19:14

    When you convert it to 2010 points, there’s not a lot to choose between them, is there? And since Farina had more mechanical failures, his 13.55 points per start is a very impressive stat.

    However, my vote goes to Schumacher. It’s not easy being at the top for a good 15 seasons especially in the modern era. Plus is it fair to say that for the ’50/’51 seasons the Alfa was nearly as dominant as the ’02/’04 Ferrari? If so then Farina didn’t fight for the championship with a less-than-best car, unlike Schumacher’s first two championships.

    • Farina did actually have many starts though did he, and Farina went straight into a top team. While Schumacher stats must always be looked at through the prisim of the wilderness years at Ferrari.

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