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Rate the race: 2011 Turkish Grand Prix

2011 Turkish Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

What did you think of the Turkish Grand Prix? Rate the race out of ten and leave a comment below:

Rate the 2011 Turkish Grand Prix out of ten

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  1. ‘You can be an absolute belly dancer with these tyres.’ Err, what’s that Martin Brundle?


    Decent race, loads of battles, overtaking and very clean and fair racing especially at the beginning with Massa, Button, Hamilton and Rosberg swapping places (highlight was easily Hamilton vs Button) and Webber and Alonso at the end but not much excitement overall especially when Vettel’s lead was pretty much confirmed from the very beginning and all the overtaking was all just a bit too easy.

    I hope the other teams catch up with RBR otherwise this season will just be another one hoping that Vettel’s car breaks down or they make big mistakes in the pit lane. There’s loads of circuits still to come but at this rate he’ll be a double world champion way before the season ends.

    I also really hope Mercedes up their game a lot. Rosberg was surprisingly slow and Schumacher really isn’t improving his race pace or craft at all considering his pace in practice.

    1. Mark Hitchcock
      8th May 2011, 14:40

      Think he said ballet dancer. i.e being light on your feet (tyres)

      1. Oh okay. Makes sense now.

      2. LOL, I heard belly dancer as well and wondered about that. But ballet dancer makes sense!

        1. ha yeah, me too.

    2. Alonso 3rd, Massa 11th.

      I think that says it all.

      1. Hats off to Alonso, a great race today. When he’s on form he is indeed on another level (or two) to Massa. Pity he couldn’t hold off Webber for 2nd.

        Race was entertaining, exciting in a lot places, but no real question of Vettel winning so for me has to be 7.

        Day of the dodgy pit stops.

      2. Yeah, so much for Massa performing better (when he was never ahead in standings).

      3. Easy comment. Easy criticism. I don’t like that because circustamces of each driver determine, sometimes even to a greater extent than their own talent, where they finish.

        Obviously Massa has not been the same driver since he suffered that bad accident in 2009, although it’s good to see that at least this year, unlike last one, he seems to be enjoying racing again. This time started 10th (for whatever reason he didn’t even put a time on Q3), and still he entered to his first pit stop ahead of Hamilton. He had just overtaken Lewis, and he was quicker than him, so he should have finished in front of him. That means 4th, right after Alonso.

        However, Hamilton overtaking him in the pits, problems with his top speed (was it an engine limitation problem, a too short 7th gear, or troble with the DRS? We’ll probably never know, but today DRS overtaking was too easy and still Felipe did most of his passing in the non-DRS part of the circuit), another 6 second pit stop, and yet another 9 second pit stop made him be in the middle of fights the whole race, with the subsequent tyre degradation, mistakes… that made him finish 11th. Critizising him today is easy, specially if you only look at the result, but I don’t think that’s too fair.

        1. *Thumbs up*

          Massa HAS improved massively and I’m glad.

        2. +1 indeed.

          Massa drove very well, making good passes and having good pace, he did screw it up at turn 8, but the lengthy pit stop and the pit drag race with Hamilton definitely cost him.

          You can’t always take the finishing place as the most obvious quantifier of a good race.

          Barichello had a much better pace here than anywhere else so far, but 15th place doesn’t really highligt that, much like 11th doesn’t highlight how well Massa did.

          Other than bad luck for the Brazillians, this was a great race.

          Vettel was astounding, but the battles behind him were far more entertaining to watch.

          1. Just a little correction here about Massa. You can not say he drove very well while it was his own mistake when he ran wide out of the track, and it was his own fault at the pit as he was not braking, thus the mechanics couldn’t change the tyre on a spinning wheel.
            Anyway, he is far better than last year, although I was disappointed looking at him not able to pass Rosberg in the way Alonso did.

        3. I stick by my original comment, but he’s doing a bit better than last year.

      4. It doesn’t say it all at all mate.
        Massa had 3 botched pit stops.
        He still would have finished behind Alonso but certainly not out of the points.

    3. 7/10
      The race was very nice, but apart from some overtakes out of the DRS zone, they were all very predictable.
      I knew, after Massa brilliantly passed Rosberg at Turn 9 that he was going to be passed easily, and there was few overtaking in the rest of the circuit, some at Turn 1 and fewer in the other points.

      1. I’d be fairly certain that Rosberg planned for that, and showed an interesting potential tactic, e.g. a driver out in front on the last lap, but likely to be overtaken in the final DRS zone, could just give up the place just before the detection zone and regain the place.

        Personally, I think other factors have added to more overtaking far more than DRS. In Turkey, it seemed way too easy to overtake with DRS at times, although, with a queue of cars all being able to use it, it made little difference, with cars having to use it as much for defence, and so not necessarily passing the one guy in the queue who couldn’t use it. In that situation, I wonder if it is actually doing more harm than good, especially in terms of safety.

        I’d like to see a few races without DRS, or with unlimited DRS, so that it is not simply a passing aid. There has been a lot more classy overtaking in non-DRS areas of the circuits, and removing the zone would help encourage that some more.

        1. I’d be fairly certain that Rosberg planned for that, and showed an interesting potential tactic, e.g. a driver out in front on the last lap, but likely to be overtaken in the final DRS zone, could just give up the place just before the detection zone and regain the place.

          Exactly the impression I had during the race.
          This could be new tactics the drivers need to explore, so the DRS can not look anymore so easy move (personally I am not very happy with this DRS).

    4. Bleeps_and_Tweaks (@bleeps_and_tweaks)
      8th May 2011, 19:36

      Yep I went for 7 as well.

      DRS was too much of an advantage, and with Vettel not being challenged once for the lead it can’t be considered a classic. But the racing between the Mclaren’s was brilliant, and through the field there was action all over the place. Throw in some dodgy pit stops and it was a good race.

      Ross Brawn said there were very few upgrades for Mercedes this weekend, their improvement in pace has purely been from improving set up etc. So if they bring something impressive to Barcelona, they could be right up there, well Rosberg anyway!!

  2. 9/10 great race :D horrible result for the championship :(

    1. By the way horrible placing of the DRS, FIA need to be more imaginative.

      1. I’d argue it wasn’t even necessary at all in Istanbul. In some races it’ll be great for letting cars overtake where it would otherwise be impossible- Barcelona, Hungary, Abu Dhabi etc- but at circuits like Istanbul overtaking has always been reasonably easy

        1. The best racing were the parts where DRS wasn’t enabled.

          Massa/Rosberg/Button battle as well as Button/Hamilton one. Both battles were simply done with KERS where we saw them trading positions corner after corner.

          1. Totally agree.

          2. Agree.

            I’d like to see DRS completely abolished.

          3. The DRS spoilt it in my opinion, because Massa’s pass on Rosberg at Turn 9 became irrelevant as Rosberg was going to pass him anyway in Turn 11/12.

          4. Also agree, alot of the DRS passes felt kinda artificial.

          5. here here

        2. Agreed, the cars are able to follow each other much closer this year thanks to the small single diffuser, so the DRS was a bit overkill in a few cases

        3. I’d say it was necessary down the pit straight. Would still like to have seen it out of Turn 8 though.

        4. I really doubt it.
          After second stop there was 4 cars traveling in pack: Pet, Mas, Ros, Hei.
          No overtaking.
          Despite the fact that Massa was on softs against Petrov’s hard.

          1. Also if DRS had that big role we would see NASCAR-style counter-overtakes.
            Which we didn’t.

        5. McLaren Fan 17
          8th May 2011, 15:06

          I think so too. Although I thought that it would help in Turkey, and that DRS worked well in the previous 3 races, overtaking in the DRS zone here was just too easy.

        6. Completely agree with that!

        7. I’d agree. I think they need to base it more on overtaking in the past races. Of which Istanbul didn’t lack.

      2. I think the DRS showed as too much of an advantage here, yeah.

        Would have been better without it I think, not like there was any need for it really.

        I gave the race a 7/10 for it being very entertaining nice racing from everyone for second best.
        Just Vettel cruising away at the front for the umpteenth time again and the unimagitive remarks finishing was just too much for me to rate it higher without any fight for the win.

      3. Agree! DRS zone was at the wrong place. Turn 12 is a natural overtaking zone. It should have been on the pit straight. But hindsight is 20-20

      4. This was an out and out demonstration of why DRS is an abomination in F1.

        Voted 7, good race overall but spoiled by the very silly overtaking assistance drivers have been given.

        How long until pay TV F1 and the viewer gets to vote if a driver can use their KERS/DRS/SMTX/XX!/XXX!/ (all calls will be charged etc.etc.)

        1. And the race before it that got a majority of 10’s is a reason why it’s a success.

          So they screwed it up once, big deal. If you didn’t expect it to need fine tuning you are over simplifying it.

      5. 100% AGREE!!

      6. The DRS was misplaced but I think we can forgive the FIA seen as they got it right prior to Turkey.

      7. The DRS set up was disgusting. What should have been a major event, Webber taking second in the dying laps, was ridiculous. It is harder to pass on a NASCAR oval than that. If the idea is to create the appearance of more racing by having the zone work so that competitive cars will be even going into the braking zone, total failure.

      8. i think it would of worked amazingly with last years tyres cos cars were running the same speed pretty much whole race. the problem is now someones tyres are falling away the guy behind catches so you have the guy behind with a tyre advantage and DRS(and possibly kers) and that makes the pass very easy.

        take out one of them things, either it be DRS, Kers, or hard wearing tyres and it would be a bit more challenging.

        its like they have come up with amazing ideas to aid passing but added too many at once lol.

        tho saying that id rather it this way then how it was in previous years so wont complain too much. But can it be improved yes. but until we return to each track you wont see an improvement as FIA dont know how it will work at each track until the race…….by which time knowing the FIA it will be banned lol.

    2. I am finding the races a breath of fresh air, but I do think if they keep going like this a race of the same quality later on in the season will get a lower rating from me.

      1. It does seem like the entertainment bar is set very high with every forthcoming race.

    3. You should now look at F1 races like James Cameron movies: exciting but don’t expect it to be real.

      1. Nice copy and paste of EliGp ‘s remark on twitter oliver.

      2. If it was a James Cameron film then surely it would be flashy but over-long and boring.

      3. ….. It is real?

    4. 10/10: 9 points for the race + 1 point for the right guy winning it. VIVA LA VETTEL!

      1. I was unaware that Vettel was a woman.

        1. Yeah, I know the article doesn’t fit. It’s just that not long ago I watched “Viva Las Vegas” and that’s where the slogan came from (since it rhymes). For others may sound stupid but I like to use it, especially when Vettel wins.

          1. The Last Pope
            8th May 2011, 23:26

            urmm… it doesn’t rhyme, they just start with the same letter.

            Michaela Schumacher to win next race!

    5. Amen to that!

  3. See the rake on Vettel’s car at the end?

    Perhaps the flexi wing was mainly a mclaren witchhunt – it did look plausible what they were saying there.

    1. The rake is just an illusion. It is there all right, but it is not acheived by increasing the rear ride height, rather it has been acheived by Redbull interpreting the regulations in a different way, via the floor reference plane. So they have the front part of the tray running extremely low.

  4. 10, great race with battles all over the place.

    1. Also a 10. Loads of quality battles. The Mark vs Alonso battled lasted until about the end of the race, which was pretty hectic.

      1. I loved how the mclaren boys were fighting it out at the start, split the strategies, and then resumed their fight towards the end.

        I’d say the first ten laps or so were the most exciting of a GP in quite a while. Although the DRS did make some overtakes seem a tad too easy.

    2. Wow, I would think a 10 would have to have a few great scraps for the win!

      But it was nice to see Alonso giving it his best again, refreshing. Shame Ferrari lost Massa somewhere on the way with that pitstop.

      1. A 10 is probably a bit high considering Vettel had a few seconds in the pocket.

      2. Agreed – good race, but I never thought Vettel wasn’t going to win after the first corner. Like China, he got someone slower (Rosberg) into 2nd which allowed him to get away and maintain a gap.

        1. I think you mean Malaysia?

      3. It wasn’t good enough for a 10. But then again, I didn’t think China was a 10 either. A lot of fans rated China so highly because Vettel didn’t win, and because there was finally a fight for the race lead. In China, the alternate strategies and tyre situation didn’t make it a fair fight for Sebastian, and that is why I just couldn’t rate it a 10.

        But today, Mark and Alonso were fighting it out and overtaking each other on the exact same tyre conditions, and that made it super exciting. If they were fighting that way for 1st position… I would have definitely given this race a 10.

        There were some other super spectacular overtakes with Kobayashi, Sutil, Schumacher, Massa, Button and Hamilton as well… overall great race.

  5. Vettel is a deserving winner but the race would have been a lot better without him

  6. Another good race. Not a “classic” – again because there was no challenge to Seb. The rest was great though. Some really good overtaking this year though – some that rivals the ‘classic’ overtakes of the past. However, I also feel the DRS zone was slightly too large this year – we also had some overtakes that weren’t really fair on the driver in front before the DRS zone.

    The fight for second place in the championship is very interesting too…!

  7. Only a 7 because the was no excitement over who would be the winner. Also DRS was too big, some of the passes were embarrassingly easy.

  8. I gave it 7. It started brilliantly, but tailed off considerably towards the end.

    I suspect the race will get a brilliant rating, but am I the only person who finds this new F1 really difficult to follow? In the past I’ve always understood even the most complicated of races, but with all these pitstops it’s hard to know what’s going on and who will finish where until the last 10 laps or so.

    Perhaps this is something which will become easier to understand over time, but at the moment it’s pretty confusing

    1. Yep I agree.

      It is extremely difficult to follow – because the coverage is still terrible. Not the BBC’s fault – but the race directors have far too much to cover. We need split screen camera angles (i.e. if someone comes into the pits) and a focussed director who doesn’t keep showing replays and instead constantly looks out for overtaking.

      There was no footage of Heidfeld catching Button at the end for example – on the live timing he took 10 seconds out of him in the last 3 laps!

    2. In the past I’ve always understood even the most complicated of races, but with all these pitstops it’s hard to know what’s going on and who will finish where until the last 10 laps or so.

      Yes, I agree with you Ned. I kept hearing things on the commentary about Button fighting for second and things like that which didn’t make sense to me, and Kobayashi going from 24th to 5th to 15th to 10th was extremely confusing.

      These new races are massively strategic so it’s not really a case of overtaking anymore.

      1. Very true, the covarage really showed off how not to do it. Bad job by FOM again. Nice job of keeping us informed by the BBC guys, but I would think Bernie should get himself a better director.

        1. The most pit stops since donington 91? i’m sure at one point both martin and david said that they couldn’t keep up either.

      2. I agree it’s much more complicated to follow races this year, but I think it’s brilliant. Both spectators and teams are learning and I guess we’ll get used to it soon. The most difficult part for me is not just the difference of performance between soft and hard tires, but also the difference between new and used tires. We know when they put soft/hard tires, but we don’t know when they put used/new tires, so we can only speculate with it. In Malaysia I was surprised that Ferrari looked quicker than McLaren at some stages of the race while it was the opposite at other stages even though they were using the same strategy… I guess they did not use the same strategy in terms of used/new tires and that made the whole difference.

        Also, the behavior of the car with high/low loads fuel is different from car to car. McLaren and specially Red Bull are quicker on low load of fuel (i.e. end of the race/qualifying) compared to Ferrari and Renault. Was this the reason why Webber was able to overtake Alonso at their last stint while he was unable to even close the gap on him of the previous stint? Or was it a tire question? (Alonso using first a new set of hard tires and then a used one, while Webber doing the opposite, first used and then new ones) I guess we’ll never know.

        Regarding the DRS, many people were enthusiastic about it after the first races. I don’t really like it and in my view it was the tires that really made those races interesting, not so much the DRS. I feel it is an unfair advantage for the driver behind because he’s the only one allow to use it. KERS is a different story. KERS is the same for both and it adds another variable that both can play with (trying to make the guy in front use it somewhere and then attack using it at a different place), so I believe it’s fair. Not the case of DRS.

        DRS may have been necessary last year when overtaking was impossible on any circuit. This year, tires (soft/hard, used/new) and different tire degradation on different cars already give enough performance difference to allow fair overtaking in most of the circuits (although the difference between hard and soft was not that big in Turkey compared to China in my opinion), so I feel that DRS is no longer necessary for most of the circuits (maybe in Monaco, Barcelona, Valencia… but specially for Monaco I’m concerned about safety issues… will they put it in the tunnel or in the main straight?).I feel it’d be truly ridiculous to have it in fast circuits like Spa, and specially Monza. In Turkey I saw a lot of cars swapping places, but did we see that much overtaking? (I feel Senna will be ashamed if called most of them “overtaking”!). Considering that, I don’t even want to think about how Monza could be like with DRS.

        1. I think the DRS was introduced to prevent faster cars getting stuck behind much slower ones, like in Abu Dhabi last year, and not just overtaking in general. And in any case if the car in front is equally matched then it should be able to take the place back on the next lap. But I do agree that it is the degradation of the Pirellis and the KERS which are really giving us most of the on-track action. The DRS zone was, in hindsight, maybe a touch too long, but again, it also depends on the pace of the cars relative to each other so it’s difficult to fix the length accurately I suppose. And yes, I too felt the DRS overtaking here was quite artificial.

          And as for your views on Senna being ashamed, I am inclined to disagree. When Senna was driving, it was more about mechanical grip and driver skill in getting the lap times in. Today a car uses mostly aero grip and depends more on factors like ‘clean air’, losing a huge chunk of grip while closely following another car. So I wouldn’t blame the drivers, because they have the skills – the laws of physics and manic aero development have rendered them mostly useless.

    3. Mark Hitchcock
      8th May 2011, 14:47

      I found it quite confusing after the second set of stops, even with live timing, driver tracker etc.

      Gotta be a good thing though. The reason it was easier to follow before is because it was quite predictable.

      1. Well thats also the counter argument. At least we dont know whats going to happen!

        1. Mark Hitchcock
          8th May 2011, 14:50

          Exactly. I’d prefer to be baffled rather than knowing what’s going to happen!

          1. Yes, but they are two different extremes. Obviously I’d prefer to not have a clue what’s going on to knowing exactly what will happen, but it’d be better to have a rough idea what is going on

          2. It’s not about knowing what’s going to happen which is impossible to do unless you can see the future, it’s about knowing what’s happening at that moment.

    4. Actually I should probably have given it an 8 because the last stint wasn’t that great. It was hard to follow at times, I agree.

    5. I think that this as four stopper did get confusing at times, but turn 8’s exceptional so we shouldn’t see it too much.

      Followed everything in China just fine though, so it shouldn’t usually be a problem.

    6. I think that BasCB is right in repeating so often that the FOM could do a lot better job with the coverage – the switching between cars isn’t always the best choice and timing could be a lot better too. Maybe with that, the race would be easier to follow.

      I agree with your opinion on the race; it was nice, but there were some really easy DRS passes (ie. wrong placement of the zones) and Vettel was never going to not win it.

      1. Who ever is calling the shots just isn’t willing or even able to switch quickly if something is happening elsewhere on the track. This may be ultra professional, but it costs us a few good bits of viewing.

    7. I cant see how its difficult to understand to be honest. You have to pay attention but I find it very easy to understand.

    8. Completely with you on this. I am still looking at the results and trying to work out at what point did who jump who.

  9. Great race, definitely enjoyed it. It was exciting! Though the overtaking was a bit easy in some places, especially for Webber at the end on Alonso. Hamilton Button swapping of places throughough the race made for some amusement.

    Extremely happy to see a Ferrari on the podium. Wonderful drive Alo.

    1. If he could have held Mark behind would have been clearly the greatest today

      1. Kinda hard with that wing though…

        But yes, I agree.

  10. 6/10

    Plenty of interesting events and strategies, but all of it was ultimately meaningless as the lead of the race was in no way even remotely under threat.

    I’m pretty close to calling a 2004 on qualifying and no matter the passing in the midfield am getting that way for the races too. It just looks like Vettel is playing on easy and that just plain isn’t interesting.

    1. i voted 6 too
      good overtakings but only vettel holding p1 from start
      i am beginning to dislike redbull domination
      they re getting arrogant
      even in qualifying they only ran one lap in Q3
      and even though webber having some problem with kers, he still finish second, which says quite a lot about their dominance

      1. I wouldn’t regard one run in Q3 as arrogance.. Seemed to me they were rightly aware (after China) of tyre useage, so cut their quali running.

  11. Eh, 7/10. Great early action, nice to see Alonso back, later action all highly predicatble DRS passes which detracted rather than added this time. The result is very bad for the season, but I guess deserved. The total lack of danger to Vettel’s win made this really quite boring at times.

    Ah well, shows that without the RBR dominance this could have been a really special season, hope someone anyone gets close and really challenges.

    1. I went with a 8/10 only because it was a surprise to see Alonso on the podium. It’s been a busy week and I never looked at practice times so I was surprised.

      Hats off to Red Bull but I agree that the result makes the season so much more dull.

  12. Great race, fun to watch – loads of overtaking.. Some of it was waaay too simple though, oh well :D

  13. 9/10 good racing even off DRS zone.

    1. I agree it was a good race but I think ALL the best “racing” is out of the DRS zone.

  14. 8/10 – Another great race with loads of action. Hopefully RBR don’t run away with this title.

    This was without doubt the most interesting race to analyse the KERS/DRS.

    We saw the good and bad of DRS. When a faster car was behind they just breezed past the car ahead, some would say too easily.

    However, when roles were reversed it gave a car a chance to close up. Would Alonso have managed to get close and pass Webber without DRS, I think not.

    Interstingly enough without the DRS enabled we saw the best battles on track. Massa/Rosberg/Button battle as well as Button/Hamilton one. Both battles were simply done with KERS where we saw them trading positions corner after corner.

    1. I think the best DRS pass was Webber on Alonso at the end. Because the Red Bull wasn’t very quick in a straight line, it only allowed Webber to get alongside Fernando. He still had to work hard by going all the way around the outside to make it stick. But some of the others were a little too easy.

  15. Potentially great race ruined by Mario Kart wings. I didn’t enjoy that overtaking, if ever the evidence of the DRS giving artificial overtaking, that was it.

    Imagine if the DRS hadn’t have been used. We would still have had KERS, and different tyres. We could have seen some great battles, lasting laps. Instead if a car was close to the pace of the one in front, they just breezed past them. We still had some decent overtaking elsewhere, and that shows that there was the potential for it to happen without the DRS system.

    1. Yep, this race would have been so much better without DRS!!. Not a question of placement, just bin it and good riddance!

      1. Maybe not without DRS, but a little bit less of it would certainly have helped

  16. 8/10
    There was lots of action, a ton of passing on track.
    Vettel leading the entire race does take the gloss off it somewhat.
    The DRS zone made overtaking a breeze, which meant that there wasn’t any tension as a driver battled to get past.

    Would’ve liked to have seen a bit more wheel to wheel action between Alonso and Webber. It seemed that Alonso just dropped off significantly after he was passed.

  17. fanatic coverage fantastic again thanks! Race sounded good from watching y’all. But sucked because we’re all fogged in here in Alberta Canada. wireless internet just wasn’t fast enough to stream. However all you fanatics make it A OK:-)

    1. I think the streams were a bit laggy today. I had a hard time getting anything to run smoothly for the whole race as well.

  18. motorsportdawn (@)
    8th May 2011, 14:48

    good race, back to the days of overtaking yeahhhh and interesting racing all the way through the field. how many pit stops??????????!!!!!!!!

  19. DRS passes were way to easy.
    7/10 for me.

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