Alonso said he was “much quicker” than Massa in Korea

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Korean Grand Prix video edit (F1)

Previously unheard team radio from the Korean grand Prix reveals Fernando Alonso told Ferrari “I am much quicker than Felipe [Massa]” during the race.

That he said this is no great surprise, but it is interesting for two reasons. First, he used the exact same words when urging Ferrari to use team orders to make Massa pull over for him in Hockenheim last year.

Second, it flatly contradicts his remarks to the BBC’s Lee McKenzie immediately after the Korean race. Alonso said: “No, I was not much quicker at that time [...] I was not much quicker at that time of the race. I was only quick in the last stint with the last set of tyres.”

Bernie Ecclestone calm after Indian GP builders put their foot down (The Guardian)

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Hundreds attend Wheldon funeral (BBC)

Susie Wheldon: “Although the last few days have been unbearable for our family, the overwhelming love and support we have received are rays of sunshine during these dark days.”

Indian GP will put the country among elite (Deccan Herald)

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87 comments on Alonso said he was “much quicker” than Massa in Korea

  1. ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 23rd October 2011, 9:15

    Not really surprising to hear what Fernando said, but if he was faster, why could Massa pull a 2 second gap after they cleared Rosberg?

    • Adam Tate (@adam-tate) said on 23rd October 2011, 9:27

      Exactly! Alonso would be wise to just be quiet and do his talking on the track. Nobody likes a whiner, even if they already have 2 WDCs. Most everyone thinks he’s a shoe in for atleast one more, but I think it is anything but guaranteed.

  2. sid_prasher (@) said on 23rd October 2011, 9:53

    Hard to really know the context in which it was said…but I am glad Ferrari didn’t pay any heed to it.

  3. Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 23rd October 2011, 10:11

    It is my unfortunate duty to report that there has been another death in motorsport: MotoGP rider Marco Simoncelli died of injuries sustained in a crash with Colin Edwards and Valentino Rossi at Sepang.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95629

    • James_mc (@james_mc) said on 23rd October 2011, 10:22

      I was flicking between the RWC & the MotoGP. The crash was horrible, it was clear something wasn’t right when his helmet came off.

      A terribly tragic accident.

      • vho (@) said on 24th October 2011, 5:06

        I was flicking between the RWC & the MotoGP. The crash was horrible, it was clear something wasn’t right when his helmet came off.

        @James_mc;

        I read somewhere that Marco wore one size bigger helmet than what he should have been waring because of his afro. Hence, I’m led to believe the helmet came off easier than it should have. Nevertheless, helmet or no helmet, the impact of the collision and the area where he was hit would’ve left very little chance of survival.

        RIP Marco… I hope that this is the last we hear of motor racing incidents for quite a long time.

    • Fixy (@fixy) said on 23rd October 2011, 11:43

      @prisoner-monkeys I honestly admit I barely knew who Dan Wheldon was.
      On the other hand, I know very well who Marco Simoncelli was.
      I feel sorry for both, as both died in motorsport, where they shouldn’t have, both left me wondering if motorsport was worth existing, both left me wondering what I’m going to do with my life.
      I feel a little bit more sorry for Sic because I knew him better, he was more of a “friend” to me, this is a tragic day and week for the whole world of motorsport.
      R.I.P. Marco, 1987 – 2011.

      • Prisoner Monkeys (@prisoner-monkeys) said on 23rd October 2011, 11:51

        I know you you feel, @fixy – when Dan Wheldon died, I said that everyone should race on because Wheldon was a man whose life was dedicated to the pursuit of speed, and slowing everyone down seemed like a poor way of remembering him. But when I saw Simoncelli’s accident, and the way he was lying prone on the tarmac, I just wanted time to stand still so that the marshals could get to him and get him out of there.

      • bosyber (@bosyber) said on 23rd October 2011, 12:44

        I don’t follow MotoGP hardly at all, so I only knew Simoncelli’s name, but I feel very sad to hear about his death. It’s weird how sometimes these things come in a short span, very sad.

      • celeste (@celeste) said on 23rd October 2011, 19:16

        It was a horrible scene, his body lying there… Then I though on the other two riders that were involve in the accident and how they must feel…his poor family, his father looked so disturbe after the announce…

        RIP Marco Simoncelli

  4. Klaas (@klaas) said on 23rd October 2011, 10:42

    @keithcollantine In the first line, it’s Alonso not Alonos.

  5. Fixy (@fixy) said on 23rd October 2011, 11:40

    Fernando Alonso told Ferrari “I am much quicker than Felipe [Massa]” during the race.

    Not again!

  6. nackavich (@nackavich) said on 23rd October 2011, 11:40

    R.I.P Marco Simoncelli, another passionate lover of motor racing who was tragically killed doing what he loved to do. Yet another bright and prosperous future cut short. Unfortunately, tragedy in motorsport will always be a topic that just won’t go away.

  7. bosyber (@bosyber) said on 23rd October 2011, 12:42

    Fun, Alonso trying the overtake Massa via radio again – much faster and safer than even via pits, I guess, and interesting how that plays with his last lap “give up” comment. Clearly some “teambuilding” going on there.

    More remarkable, in a way, was the way the edit failed to show the nicest bit of the HAM-WEB fight where they went side by side through S2. I did like the HAM: “… much quicker than me” followed by “lewis, you are doing great, still 16 laps to go”; great fight that was (I just finished re-watching the race).

  8. ed24f1 (@ed24f1) said on 23rd October 2011, 12:42

    Emanuele Pirro was at the Gold Coast this weekend and guest commentated the Touring Car Masters support race. He talked about his experience as a F1 guest steward.

    He mentioned how some drivers act like immature kids in the stewards room, making up excuses and the like. He said that one of the worst was a ‘multi world champion’.

    Now the race he was stewarding was Sepang 2011. I know Schumacher wasn’t in the stewards room after the race, and Vettel wasn’t a double world champion then, that leaves…

  9. Bullfrog (@bullfrog) said on 23rd October 2011, 13:09

    Team orders weren’t allowed when Rob Smedley issued the original “Fernando is faster than you” instruction, but they are now…so I wonder why Alonso felt the need to use the same words? He could have just said “Let me past you fools”…

    F1 needs to sort out its team radio broadcasting, and release more of it at the time during the race. A week on, I’m thinking “who cares”, particularly with the awful accidents we’ve had since then in top-level motorsport.

  10. ozzy (@ozzy) said on 23rd October 2011, 14:28

    Marco Simoncelli dies from injuries after crash
    R.I.P.

  11. Kazuki (@formula-1) said on 23rd October 2011, 15:24

    After another shock death in motorsport it is about time that the matter of safety is really looked into as if these tragic events can happen is such a short amount of time is could be anybody next at any time with all motorsport seeming as dangerous. Even though Formula 1 takes a look on safety it would be better if they really went into depth to pretect their drivers as at this time it could be a Formula 1 driver next. If a tribute was made to safety in motorsport as well as these drivers it may make some of the Formula 1 drivers as well as drivers in other forms of motorsport will be more catious when racing and doing experimental moves, obviously we don’t want racing to be boring but a stricter response taken by drivers to ensure their safety and not putting off potential future talents and still show that motorsport is a safe environment.

  12. Mike the bike Schumacher (@mike-the-bike-schumacher) said on 23rd October 2011, 20:39

    RIP Marco Simoncelli. Keith why is there no article on Simoncelli’s crash.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 23rd October 2011, 23:49

      @mike-the-bike-schumacher A completely fair question and one I’m happy to address.

      First, of course I was saddened to hear about the death of Marco Simoncelli this morning. And coming so soon after last week’s terrible events, it’s all the more tragic.

      While this site is predominantly focussed on Formula 1 its scope has always included some other forms of racing. This has broadened this year and F1 Fanatic Live has included IndyCar, Le Mans and British Touring Car races.

      But I have to be realistic about the breadth of motor racing I can cover on the site and I have not previously included motorcycle racing among them.

      So while today’s events are deeply saddening and I do genuinely sympathise, I do not think it would be appropriate to run a separate article on it. This is the same decision I took last year after Moto2 rider Shoya Tomizawa lost his life.

      Having never previously covered Moto GP racing on the site, I think to do so now would be seen as a cynical attempt to hijack people’s grief to generate site traffic.

      I know several readers also follow Moto GP and I see a forum thread has already been set up on about it – indeed, this is where I first heard about the crash.

      I hope you understand and respect the reasons for this decision.

      • Enigma (@enigma) said on 24th October 2011, 0:09

        I respect the decision – you’ve never written anything about MotoGP and I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. As long as it was mentioned in the round-up I think it’s okay.

      • matt90 (@matt90) said on 24th October 2011, 0:47

        Makes sense and I understand completely. It is still motor racing, but you have to draw the line somewhere on what you cover, even in the event of something so tragic. I was wondering if there would be an article but wasn’t surprised.

      • Mike the bike Schumacher (@mike-the-bike-schumacher) said on 24th October 2011, 1:05

        Ok Keith, that’s a good response, I understand.

      • xbx-117 (@xbx-117) said on 24th October 2011, 4:42

        While I understand and respect your decision, as this is your site, I personally would not have seen a problem with a simple link in the round-up on the accident. In fact, I first read about the incident from some twitter posts on another F1 site this morning.

        I’m of the mindset that all racing is linked, and that when tragedy strikes, the entire community should take notice. Again, its your decision, but I personally wouldn’t have minded a simple acknowledgement.

  13. Neel Jani (@neelv27) said on 23rd October 2011, 23:41

    I don’t think Alonso did anything wrong in the interview. But nowadays the Race edits do reveal a lot and Singapore 2011 was a great example.

    “I am much quicker than Felipe”. Don’t think that statement is wrong or Alonso is a whiner. Any driver would do that. eg. Button in Spain 2009

    I think its normal and Alonso proved it by beating Massa by approximately 10 secs to the flag.

  14. Alesici (@alesici) said on 24th October 2011, 12:46

    I think that I have spotted a couple of things that almost nobody else has noticed this year. One is that I *think* that Massa had no KERS during this last race in Korea, based on one or possibly two shots of his KERS graphic. I never got round to checking this, but it would make me think that Alonso was just sulking and probably could have taken him with a 6 second KERS blast with DRS assist.

    The other thing I spotted was from the in-car footage of Hamilton’s crash in Belgium. He clearly was knocked unconcious for about 10-15 seconds in either the initial impact with the barrier or with the near-simultaneous impact with the advertising hoarding. His head and arms were slumped, he did not try to steer or brake before hitting the 2nd barrier. I very much doubt that this knock to the head could explain his behaviour in the latter part of the year, but I’m surprised nobody has made the suggestion. For me, he’s still got his fantastic skill intact, so will bounce back no doubt, as we began to see at the last race.

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