Rate the race: 2012 Italian Grand Prix

2012 Italian Grand Prix

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132 comments on Rate the race: 2012 Italian Grand Prix

  1. Estesark (@estesark) said on 9th September 2012, 14:43

    Slightly more exciting than Spa last week, which I rated 7. This deserves an 8. Every time I thought the finishing order was settled, something unpredictable happened, right down to the very last lap, with Senna pipping Ricciardo to the final points position – that makes seven top ten finishes for him compared to Maldonado’s two. Great drive from PĂ©rez, he’ll definitely be my driver of the weekend.

    • Eleanore (@leucocrystal) said on 9th September 2012, 15:20

      I was very glad to see Senna nab that last point, whatever the reason (looks as though Ricciardo ran into some trouble at that point, not sure what though as we never saw it), given that Williams botched his strategy pretty badly again today.

    • that makes seven top ten finishes for him compared to Maldonado’s two

      Not taking anything away from Bruno as today, as a whole, he looked a bit better than Maldonado (even though, in the last part of the race Pastor was faster and closed the gap to less than a second) but that doesn’t prove Senna’s quicker / a better driver than Maldonado quite yet.

      Plus, with all the retirements and problems added, I reckon Senna would have finished in 15th, somewhere between Hulkenberg and his team mate, only 20-some seconds in front of the D’Ambrosio who is a replacement driver and had no KERS for the whole race, Caterham, Marussia and HRT. That’s still an insanely poor result for that Williams car, which I’m afraid come from the drivers underperforming rather than any strategy mix-up the team might pull.

      • Eleanore (@leucocrystal) said on 9th September 2012, 15:59

        It’s hard to view Williams’ strategy with Bruno at Spa and here as anything other than poor though, I think. Today they left him out almost dangerously long on mediums, finally brought him in, and somehow he came back out way back in P17. If you’re going to risk your driver amid the frontrunners on old tires, I wouldn’t recommend following it up with what I’m sure must have been the slowest pit stop of the race…

        • Agreed. It couldn’t have helped, but even so Senna looked like he was never gonna be able to challenge Koba and Di Resta. And their strategies weren’t mind-twisters either. He did lose ground because of the misjudgement of his strategy but also he lost time being impatient and incident prone at the beginning of the race and due to his general pace, which was decent but (again!) not good enough in order to get the most out of the car. And this goes for Maldonado as well.

          There’s a number of factors that lead to Williams still struggling this season with a race winning car. The strategies are just a small part of the equation, I’m afraid.

          • To conclude, Maldonado is going through a small mid-season crisis at the moment, trying to refine his behaviour on track after an incredibly bad season and he’s got the team’s support to do so. In my view, this means a lot of the WCC-related responsabilities are now in Senna’s hands as he needs to deliver, up his pace and almost single-handedly place Williams at least in front of Force India at the end of the season.

            It’s 9 points in difference now. My sincere opinion is that if he manages to do so, he’s won his seat in F1 for the next year at least. This would also mean he reached a respectable level or consistency and the capability to deliver competitive race pace, in general. If he doesn’t, I don’t see ANY rational reason for Williams not to replace him with Bottas in 2013.

          • Eleanore (@leucocrystal) said on 9th September 2012, 16:31

            My main reason for thinking it would be foolish to bring Bottas in to Williams in 2013 (or any other team, for that matter) is the fact that he’s only raced in GP3 so far. Granted yes, every now and then, you get a less developed racer than the rest who has enough natural talent to carry him through the fast track (e.g. Vettel). However, other times you come upon a situation like Grosjean’s in 2009.

            Williams already came under heavy fire this year for having such a green lineup. Replacing it with an even greener one next year doesn’t strike me as the wisest decision in the world, especially if Bottas represents less financial backing and they’d lose money at the same time. I suppose only time will tell, though. For now, Senna still remains a far more consistent race finisher, penalty avoider and point scorer than Maldonado.

          • Bottas did GP3, Formula Renault 2.0 and F3 Euroseries, and he never finished a single championship lower than 3rd. On Friday he generally looks fairly quick. He’s got a fairly decent financial support package. He comes from the finnish school – which is known to produce valuable drivers. Why wouldn’t they give him a chance? And why would he need to waste time in GP2 for instance, especially now, with that particular championship’s capability of producing talents being questioned. I’d say it’s a good thing he’s skipping that step.

            Raikkonen, Button, Vettel – all did it and they are world champions and some of the best drivers on the grid today. Are you suggesting they were foolish to make this decision as well? :)

            Williams now have the Renault engine and a good aero package which can develop into a great one next year. In my opinion, they don’t need just someone decent and consistent. They need a race winner and, as all the other teams, they want to be the ones who introduce a “new Vettel” to the sport. Bottas apparently has the potential to be just that, but they won’t know unless they put in in a racing seat, preferrably before the 2014 chaos season.

      • Estesark (@estesark) said on 9th September 2012, 17:35

        You make eminently sensible points, @tony031r (both in your original reply and in your analysis of the Bottas situation), but just to make it clear, I wasn’t suggesting that Senna is quicker or better than Maldonado. I was just giving the facts. For what it’s worth, I think Maldonado is quicker, but speed alone is not worth much if you can’t couple it with consistency. Senna at least has that.

  2. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 9th September 2012, 14:45

    Another good race. Reminded me of Spa, clear leader and winner but with enough close pack racing amongst the rest to keep it exciting. Good level of drama from Alonso and Vettel with a couple of major retirements that screws up the championship just enough for it to remain healthy. Perez provided a similar level of excitement to Vettel last weekend and once again displayed his superb ability to look after tyres. Hamilton never looked threatened after T1 at the start when Massa was considering having a go.

    All in all a good race and deserved result. Just about deserved punishment for Vettel, it wasn’t intentional but rules are rules. Honourable mention to D’Ambrosio for improving on his qualifying position.

  3. JamieFranklinF1 (@jamiefranklinf1) said on 9th September 2012, 14:49

    Really great race, with a mix of strategies, overtaking, car failures and underdogs! I don’t think anyone would have expected Perez to storm through the field like that once he had pitted, but it sure spiced the race up towards the end!

    It’s a bit of a shame that Button had a failure, because I think he could have pressured Hamilton a bit more towards the end, and after some really bad luck mid-year, he really deserved it. Plus, with the RB failures, the Championship has been blown wide open, and I don’t think there is any room for error from any driver or team in the remaining races.

    Sauber have a great chance at taking fifth in the Constructors now I think, but I think a lot of focus has to be on Raikkonen. He’s only 38 points behind Alonso now, and one point behind Hamilton, despite not having won a race this season. If he can mix it towards the front more, or at least have some better Saturdays, he could be the dark horse of the Championship.

    We’re in for a hell of an end to the 2012 season!

  4. Yobo01 (@yobo01) said on 9th September 2012, 14:55

    8. Lots of drama, lots of good moves, it’s a shame that there was no battle for the lead.
    The crowd is good only when there is a Ferrari. I don’t really like the booing (did I spell it right?), and as an italian person, I am quite ashamed.

  5. Jayfreese (@) said on 9th September 2012, 15:07

    Far from the no-respect-drivers that some wanted to sell us last weekend in Spa, even GP2 races were clean! Well done to them to shut down some media microphones!

  6. Jason (@jason12) said on 9th September 2012, 15:10

    Stewards inconsistent yet again.
    Kimi recently made the same move (as Vettel) on Grasjean without any penalty. There’s been a number of such incidents in any event (without punishment).
    How long will Ferrari enjoy the FIA’s favouritism??

  7. F1Yankee (@f1yankee) said on 9th September 2012, 15:11

    9′s, really? it was a good race, but not approaching the maximum.

  8. auto_freak (@auto_freak) said on 9th September 2012, 15:14

    A stunning race and quite lived up to the hype created from qualifying! Dominant Lewis upfront, never troubled and just as fast. Perez could have easily bagged a win on any other day if Lewis wasn’t upfront because he had a second a lap faster car than everyone on the grid. Alonso doing what he does best yet again!

  9. 7/10. Decent race, lots of side-by-side action, even into areas where DRS isn’t a factor, and the strategies were very varied and pretty interesting. A wee bit processional nearer the front (Until Perez got involved!), but still a very good afternoon’s entertainment.

  10. Bobby (@f1bobby) said on 9th September 2012, 15:26

    9 for me, lots of close racing, championship is spiced up and a great first Monza win for Hamilton! :)

  11. Great race, too bad for the retirements; I also wished Massa could be on podium for his morale.

    Also, big disappoint for the crowd booing lewis when he salutes them.
    And I’m italian. Shame.

  12. icemangrins (@icemangrins) said on 9th September 2012, 15:28

    voted a 7 for this race and there was absolutely nothing wrong with the race. Other than that, the Mercedes doesn’t seem to be a podium material any more and a very far cry away from a second victory. They must hate this tyre so much and yet so coy about it.

    Inspirational drive from Sergio Perez. It is better for him to stay at Sauber F1 and challenge the front runners rather than playing Fernando’s wing man at Ferrari.

  13. Monosodico (@monosodico) said on 9th September 2012, 15:30

    the 3 drivers on the podium…. the 3 drivers Grosjean took off in Spa

  14. baldgye (@baldgye) said on 9th September 2012, 15:53

    I’m not sure how to feel about this race… becasue for me as a Lewis fan it was great to see him win, but not that exciting as he had to do little and Alonso still managed to get a podium. Though that said it was great to see Perez really fighting and doing a fantastic job getting 2nd.

    And with Vettel not finishing and Alonso (only) getting 3rd and not 2nd it has made the championship alot more interesting.
    I really hope McLaren can contiune with this pace for the new few races to make the championship really come alive

  15. MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 9th September 2012, 16:07

    A good race to watch. Nothing exceptional yet interesting till the end. Good mix of DRS and non DRS passes. I really think Perez will replace Massa at Ferrari. He has shown skill in that Sauber and made sure he followed the rules to the T. Very heartening to watch.

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