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Rate the race: 2012 Korean Grand Prix

2012 Korean Grand PrixPosted on | Author Keith Collantine

Start, Korea, 2012What did you think of the Korean Grand Prix? Share your verdict on today’s race.

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Rate the 2012 Korean Grand Prix out of ten

  • 1 (4%)
  • 2 (3%)
  • 3 (9%)
  • 4 (16%)
  • 5 (25%)
  • 6 (21%)
  • 7 (13%)
  • 8 (6%)
  • 9 (2%)
  • 10 (1%)

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  1. The last time Ferrari told Massa to slow down we rated the race @ 1. This one too?

    1. but that was to let someone past for the lead. Yeah, disappointing, but not quite the same. And though Red Bull made sure WEB was just a bit slower for most of the race, so he wasn’t quite told to slow, just kept his distance (and “look after the tyres”) – still, he wasn’t clearly faster today, so might not have given us a fight anyway.

      Just like the rest of the race really. Could have been worse, but might have been better (actually entertaining) in some other circumstances.


  3. Chris (@tophercheese21)
    14th October 2012, 9:05

    Gave it a 7 on the sheer fact that it’s given us a great platform going into the remaining races, with the constructors and drivers championships.

    Was very disappointed to see Lewis struggling yet again, and to see Button taken out on Lap 1.

    Enjoyed the battle between Lewis and the two Torro Rosso’s at the end. And also enjoyed the Hulkenberg – Grosjean – Senna Battle.

    And finally, good to see Grosjean have a clean race.

  4. all those more casual fans that need constant action who are giving this race scores of 1-2-3 should maybe just go back to watching nascar?

    race was good enough for 7-8.

    1. Chris (@tophercheese21)
      14th October 2012, 9:09


    2. That’s like saying “Stop looking at these clouds moving on the sky, look at that drying paint instead.”

    3. I’ve been a F1 fanatic for 15 years and have seen highlights of every race there is media on. Read thousands of books and dedicated my life to it. On some days, you get great races hat change your view of what’s possible and, by law of averages, poor races. This was a poor race. If this race is an 8 then what was Japan 2005? Because I can tell you what most fans would rather watch. Don’t infer that some people are casual fans because they recognise this is not a great race. It makes you look like the casual fan.

      1. If this race is an 8 then what was Japan 2005?

        the thing with suzuka 2005 is people remember alonso passing schumacher & kimi passing fisichella, yet forget that the rest of the race was dull.

        95% of the passing happened at the refueling stops, there wasn’t much close racing & statistically had less on-track overtaking than most other races that year (11).

        people go on about races at bahrain, singapore & korea for been dull, yet ignore the the close racing, good fights & overtaking that goes on & then simply say ‘there was no racing’.

        People here considered singapore boring, yet there was 62 on-track overtakes & some real good close racing fights for position. same for bahrain which featured 72 on-track passes & similar high levels of close on-track fights.
        Both those tracks produced more on-track overtaking than melbourne, montreal, silverstone, spa & Suzuka which fans often seem to believe produce more which is statistically more often than not incorrect.

        people moan about these modern tracks because they don’t like the fact f1 goes to there countrys, this korean track gets called dull yet all the drivers say they like it because its exciting to drive/race on & a real challenge for them & the engineer’s.
        Same with India the drivers all enjoy it & it was designed with driver/team input which is something fans often say should be done.

  5. Looks like I’m in the minority here, but I thought it was a fairly entertaining race. Certainly not on par with Valencia this year, but there were quite a few good battles for position (Hulkenburg passing Hamilton and one of the Lotuses, Hamilton and Raikkonen, etc.). Only complaints would be the Red Bull domination, the Ferrari team orders, and the extended yellow flags in the DRS zone.

    And of course that nonsense with the astroturf was a bit annoying, but at least it didn’t have much effect in the final finishing order.

    1. @utbowler0407

      that nonsense with the astroturf was a bit annoying, but at least it didn’t have much effect in the final finishing order

      I agree, but I think it was a bit more than annoying; it was actually pretty dangerous. Arguably you could say that Hamilton had a chance a catching the Torro Rosso’s but personally I don’t think much would come of it (judging by the earlier attempts).
      For a new circuit with safety undoubtably in mind whilst designing the track, this is a huge failure from the FIA in not managing the circuit organisers effectively.

  6. 5/10

    It wasn’t, strictly speaking, bad … it was just a shadow of what it could have been. The race was really let down by the awkward placement of Rosberg’s Mercedes and the extended yellow flag period.

    1. the race was really let down by the awkward placement of Rosberg’s Mercedes and the extended yellow flag period

      Very much agreed the only overtaking zone in the circuit was yellow falged & no one could overtake that was a disadvantages for the cars who got the top speed

    2. Pretty much killed Webber’s chances of passing Vettel, that could have lead to something brilliant.
      I gave this an 8, because whilst 75% of the race was processional, I’m a sucker for good on track battles, and there were plenty.

      1. webbers chances of passing vettel?

        lol that gave me a giggle at least. and people complain about ferrari…..

  7. The racing was mediocre, the track was filthy, the astro turf was a joke, and the race organizers still don’t have a clue. I still don’t understand why this race is even on the calendar.

    Highlight was Vettel getting hustled by that girl on the podium LOL!

    1. :)
      Comment of the day for me.

  8. If you just focus all your energy on the front of the grid then yes, arguably it was processional.

    But surely you can’t justify that argument for the rest of the pack! I guess if you pay close attention to a midfield runner, like I do, then you’d have more enjoyable races. :D

    1. Difficult when they missed so many of the overtaking there. Poor coverage this week especially for the replays on the useless Driver’s Cam from T3 to T4 when the car doing the overtake has passed by then and all you see is them driving in the centre of the track instead of the racing line.

  9. you know what i think the problem is, the crazy races earlier on where tyres & drs were creating 80+ passes (most of which were boringly easy to watch) have created unfair expectations of all races.

    2-3 years ago this race would have been rated high, yes everyone is basing races now off those races from earlier on.

    the races like valencia, montreal etc… were races the casual fans would have loved as there was constant action. i think the last few races have been great for the hardcore/long term fans amongst us who enjoy the strategy & close racing yet didnt like the artificial nature seen earlier in the season.

    as one of those more hardcore, longer term fans (been watching since the early 70s) i didn’t enjoy those earlier races as i simply detest drs & think the tyres are too artificial, so the races which features 100 passes (most of those passes i felt were boring to watch) i saw as too artificial & i disliked them as a result.
    the more recent races ive enjoyed a lot more as they have been more traditional, the racing has been more pure & the artificial nature seen earlier on has largely gone.

    this race & the last 4-5 have reminded me more of the races we saw through the 70s/80s/early 90s & as my favorite era maybe thats why ive been enjoying them.

    1. davidnotcoulthard
      14th October 2012, 10:51

      The greatest thing in the last few months is that DRS doesn’t do it’s job that well anymore….which is good.

    2. Hamilton was very entertaining despite his problems, no joy for his fans but very entertaining for the dispassionate viewer.

  10. 6 thanks to midfield fun. Great drives by Hul and STRs and a pity to see Sauber waste a chance to close in on Merc.

  11. 6/10.
    Lewis did spice it up a little.

  12. 6. Business as usual at the front but good midfield battles throughout the race. And what’s with the astroturf? Surely grass can be planted instead.

  13. 4/10. Apart from a few fights (like STR’s making their way up) and Hamilton’s new eco-parts, there was pretty much nothing going on; just cars circling with safe distances between each other.

  14. 3. I thought it was a horrible race- Webber putting up no fight at the start; Kobay-bashi taking out two potential points-scoring cars amateurishly on lap 1; Vettel taking a dominant car to the chequered flag then whooping over the radio a la 2011; Ferrari not being flexible enough to realise that Alonso could have taken Webber if they had released the faster Massa; the astroturf disintegrating mid-race. The only plus point for me was watching Hamilton produce a heroic Gilles Villeneuve-esque drive to salvage a point with a car that had a broken rear roll bar from lap 18 and also carried part of the circuit on its sidepod for about 5 laps. Also pleased for Toro Rosso. As an aside though I wonder if this kind of race satisfies the people who were whingeing that the start of the season was too unpredictable and there were too many winners?

    1. Chris (@tophercheese21)
      14th October 2012, 9:40

      I think it’s a little silly to say that Ferrari should have released Massa. If they had done that, then Alonso would be even further behind a “whooping Vettel”.

      Of course they’re not going to let their prime championship candidate lose points to the out of contention team mate.

      1. I think it’s a little silly to say that Ferrari should have released Massa.

        That depends. If Massa REALLY had the pace to challenge Vettel for the lead, then a win for Felipe with Vettel 2nd and Alonso 4th would have benefited the spaniard more as he would have lost only 6 points to Vettel compared to the 10 he did today.

        Surely it would have been a gamble but I wouldn’t have been that silly for Ferrari to try and take this risk, in my opinion.

      2. Not really. Team orders are legal now and if the Massa-releasing experiment didn’t work, they could have always dropped him back behind Alonso again. It was clear though that mid-race, Massa had more pace than Alonso and could have troubled Webber (either by overtaking him and slowing him down or forcing Webber to take too much out of his tyres). In the current situation where Red Bull have a clear car advantage, Ferrari have to do everything they can to salvage every point for Alonso, and making that aggressive choice might have done that.

        1. I had exactly the same thoughts. There was basis for some serious team work there, but they I think they opted for the safe route, because they were very happy with the places they had in the field at the time. In the bbc interview Alonso said, that they were very nervous, especially with the start, and that they had to finish on the podium, which they achieved.

          1. You’re all assuming that Webber was trying to catch Vettel, all he was doing was keeping ahead of Alonso. Webbers fastest lap proved he had plenty in reserve.

          2. @hohum I´m only talking about the Ferraris. Was your reply meant for me?

          3. @testacorsa, specifically no, I was talking to those people that believe Massa would have been able to pass Webber, when it’s clear Webber was controlling the gap to Alonso, far enough away not to be jumped, close enough to see him coming. But it is nice to talk to you.

          4. Thanks you too :)
            You could be right, but it´s hard to know for sure. Especially those tires make it difficult to estimate how fast one car/driver actually could be, as everyone is saving them by driving so careful. I actually think that is what made Schumacher indecisive of his future in f1. On one hand it makes for some interesting results, but I really wish Pirelly would drop the synthetic formula, and go back to natural rubber.

    2. @bwal87

      Webber putting up no fight at the start

      Sure Vettel got a better start then he did, but Webber hung in there and tried to get past again at turn three, and then he was defending his position from Alonso at turn four. I don’t see how he ‘didn’t put up a fight’?

      1. I agree that he attempted to get back at Vettel into turn 3 but the damage was already done by then. If the leader positions themselves properly into turn 3 on lap 1 (as Vettel did) the car behind shouldn’t have a hope of getting past. Webber’s start wasn’t a shocker and was more than good enough for him to move across to try to get the inside line into turn 1 (as Vettel would doubtless have done if the roles had been reversed), but he gave his teammate acres of space which was a bit too meek and Malaysia 2010-y in my opinion. After producing a great pole lap, it was just so disappointing that Webber didn’t make it harder for his teammate into the first corner.

  15. It is a 4 for me. Pretty boring. Yesterday looked so promising after the qualifying and with the better race pace that Ferrari, McLaren were supposed to have based on Friday Practice. But Mclaren were yet again unfortunate, Ferrari couldn’t match the Red Bull which were untouchable today. And there I am left rubbing my chin, when I noticed that I better have a shave.
    Well done Red Bull and Vettel, but the race …

  16. I think this race perfectly demonstrated what’s wrong with Formula 1 anno 2012. There has been a lot of critisism about the DRS zone between turns 2 and 3: it had been elongated, and surprise surprise, overtaking there was as easy as stealing candy from a baby. For the circuit itself: though more people enjoyed the race from the stands this year, still it is unable to win over the Koreans to suddenly care about racing. I will just keep my mouth shut about the astro turf. One should really ask himself: why turn down great European circuits with loads of fans, and go racing in a swamp 3 hours away from the nearest airport?

    Anyway, back to the actual racing: it was not as interesting at the front, but heck yeah it was interesting at the back! Starting the race with a great battle between Toro Rosso and Williams (I believe Vergne pulled of a great pass on Maldo). Also the HĂĽlkenberg/Grosjean battle was very entertaining throughout the race, with climax being HĂĽlkenberg passing both Grosjean and Hamilton at turn 4. There were some other battles down the field, that were unfortunately not shown on tv.

    I rated the race 6/10, would have been 7/10 would the director have shown the midfield squabble instead of showing random replays of Red Bull tyres in slow-motion.

  17. what a borefest :S

  18. gave this a 7. this race wasn’t a great one by any means, but there were some great mid-field battles. .this could have been better if there were no team orders and Massa overtook/battled with Alonso. .

  19. Dull. As soon as sv lead after turn 4 was rest was inevitable. (barring failures/mistakes) Mw neither being allowed to nor fast enough to challenge. Never mind the first 8 laps or so under yellows removing all chance of early drs passes to spice it up at the front.

    1. Good point about the yellow flags at the beginning of the race: the first 10 laps, overtaking at the most obvious point on the circuit was partnered with a risk of getting a penalty. They should have a) cleared that car faster; or b) brought out the safety car, clean up the mess and recover Rosberg’s car and then go racing again.

      1. It was unfortunate but I think they made the right choice.

    2. The situation with the yellow flags was completely ridiculous. Some teams were telling their drivers the sector were marked as clear on their information screens.

      1. On the live timing the sector kept going ‘green’ and then switching back to yellow. A few people pulled out to overtake then had to duck back in. Farcical really.

  20. Personally i thought the effectiveness of the DRS zone was ambiguous. There were times when cars went by too simply, while there were those who struggled to get alongside (Lotuses vs Ham, Ham on Vergne) while there were those that got it just nice side by side through T3. (Gro vs Hulk after last pit). Think the straight was simply too long such that the limiter was more of a factor here than the slipstream.

    1. i agree, but also think during the early laps withs cars heavy on fuel and slow to accelerate and not hitting limiter and running close together, i think drs would have helped shuffle the pack and I was disappointed that the yellows lasted as long as they did

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