Rate the race: 2012 Korean Grand Prix

2012 Korean Grand Prix

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Rate the 2012 Korean Grand Prix out of ten

  • 1 (4%)
  • 2 (3%)
  • 3 (9%)
  • 4 (16%)
  • 5 (25%)
  • 6 (21%)
  • 7 (13%)
  • 8 (6%)
  • 9 (2%)
  • 10 (1%)

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214 comments on Rate the race: 2012 Korean Grand Prix

  1. Jason (@jason12) said on 14th October 2012, 9:30

    6/10.
    Lewis did spice it up a little.

  2. Ben (@benchuiii) said on 14th October 2012, 9:33

    6. Business as usual at the front but good midfield battles throughout the race. And what’s with the astroturf? Surely grass can be planted instead.

  3. KaIIe (@kaiie) said on 14th October 2012, 9:33

    4/10. Apart from a few fights (like STR’s making their way up) and Hamilton’s new eco-parts, there was pretty much nothing going on; just cars circling with safe distances between each other.

  4. Bwal87 (@bwal87) said on 14th October 2012, 9:36

    3. I thought it was a horrible race- Webber putting up no fight at the start; Kobay-bashi taking out two potential points-scoring cars amateurishly on lap 1; Vettel taking a dominant car to the chequered flag then whooping over the radio a la 2011; Ferrari not being flexible enough to realise that Alonso could have taken Webber if they had released the faster Massa; the astroturf disintegrating mid-race. The only plus point for me was watching Hamilton produce a heroic Gilles Villeneuve-esque drive to salvage a point with a car that had a broken rear roll bar from lap 18 and also carried part of the circuit on its sidepod for about 5 laps. Also pleased for Toro Rosso. As an aside though I wonder if this kind of race satisfies the people who were whingeing that the start of the season was too unpredictable and there were too many winners?

    • Chris (@tophercheese21) said on 14th October 2012, 9:40

      I think it’s a little silly to say that Ferrari should have released Massa. If they had done that, then Alonso would be even further behind a “whooping Vettel”.

      Of course they’re not going to let their prime championship candidate lose points to the out of contention team mate.

      • I think it’s a little silly to say that Ferrari should have released Massa.

        That depends. If Massa REALLY had the pace to challenge Vettel for the lead, then a win for Felipe with Vettel 2nd and Alonso 4th would have benefited the spaniard more as he would have lost only 6 points to Vettel compared to the 10 he did today.

        Surely it would have been a gamble but I wouldn’t have been that silly for Ferrari to try and take this risk, in my opinion.

      • Bwal87 (@bwal87) said on 14th October 2012, 9:52

        Not really. Team orders are legal now and if the Massa-releasing experiment didn’t work, they could have always dropped him back behind Alonso again. It was clear though that mid-race, Massa had more pace than Alonso and could have troubled Webber (either by overtaking him and slowing him down or forcing Webber to take too much out of his tyres). In the current situation where Red Bull have a clear car advantage, Ferrari have to do everything they can to salvage every point for Alonso, and making that aggressive choice might have done that.

        • I had exactly the same thoughts. There was basis for some serious team work there, but they I think they opted for the safe route, because they were very happy with the places they had in the field at the time. In the bbc interview Alonso said, that they were very nervous, especially with the start, and that they had to finish on the podium, which they achieved.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 14th October 2012, 13:56

            You’re all assuming that Webber was trying to catch Vettel, all he was doing was keeping ahead of Alonso. Webbers fastest lap proved he had plenty in reserve.

          • @hohum I´m only talking about the Ferraris. Was your reply meant for me?

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 15th October 2012, 22:11

            @testacorsa, specifically no, I was talking to those people that believe Massa would have been able to pass Webber, when it’s clear Webber was controlling the gap to Alonso, far enough away not to be jumped, close enough to see him coming. But it is nice to talk to you.

          • Thanks you too :)
            You could be right, but it´s hard to know for sure. Especially those tires make it difficult to estimate how fast one car/driver actually could be, as everyone is saving them by driving so careful. I actually think that is what made Schumacher indecisive of his future in f1. On one hand it makes for some interesting results, but I really wish Pirelly would drop the synthetic formula, and go back to natural rubber.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 14th October 2012, 20:33

      @bwal87

      Webber putting up no fight at the start

      Sure Vettel got a better start then he did, but Webber hung in there and tried to get past again at turn three, and then he was defending his position from Alonso at turn four. I don’t see how he ‘didn’t put up a fight’?

      • Bwal87 (@bwal87) said on 14th October 2012, 21:40

        I agree that he attempted to get back at Vettel into turn 3 but the damage was already done by then. If the leader positions themselves properly into turn 3 on lap 1 (as Vettel did) the car behind shouldn’t have a hope of getting past. Webber’s start wasn’t a shocker and was more than good enough for him to move across to try to get the inside line into turn 1 (as Vettel would doubtless have done if the roles had been reversed), but he gave his teammate acres of space which was a bit too meek and Malaysia 2010-y in my opinion. After producing a great pole lap, it was just so disappointing that Webber didn’t make it harder for his teammate into the first corner.

  5. caci99 (@caci99) said on 14th October 2012, 9:37

    It is a 4 for me. Pretty boring. Yesterday looked so promising after the qualifying and with the better race pace that Ferrari, McLaren were supposed to have based on Friday Practice. But Mclaren were yet again unfortunate, Ferrari couldn’t match the Red Bull which were untouchable today. And there I am left rubbing my chin, when I noticed that I better have a shave.
    Well done Red Bull and Vettel, but the race …

  6. andae23 (@andae23) said on 14th October 2012, 9:37

    I think this race perfectly demonstrated what’s wrong with Formula 1 anno 2012. There has been a lot of critisism about the DRS zone between turns 2 and 3: it had been elongated, and surprise surprise, overtaking there was as easy as stealing candy from a baby. For the circuit itself: though more people enjoyed the race from the stands this year, still it is unable to win over the Koreans to suddenly care about racing. I will just keep my mouth shut about the astro turf. One should really ask himself: why turn down great European circuits with loads of fans, and go racing in a swamp 3 hours away from the nearest airport?

    Anyway, back to the actual racing: it was not as interesting at the front, but heck yeah it was interesting at the back! Starting the race with a great battle between Toro Rosso and Williams (I believe Vergne pulled of a great pass on Maldo). Also the HĂĽlkenberg/Grosjean battle was very entertaining throughout the race, with climax being HĂĽlkenberg passing both Grosjean and Hamilton at turn 4. There were some other battles down the field, that were unfortunately not shown on tv.

    I rated the race 6/10, would have been 7/10 would the director have shown the midfield squabble instead of showing random replays of Red Bull tyres in slow-motion.

  7. melkurion (@melkurion) said on 14th October 2012, 9:38

    what a borefest :S

  8. mixwell (@mixwell) said on 14th October 2012, 9:39

    gave this a 7. this race wasn’t a great one by any means, but there were some great mid-field battles. .this could have been better if there were no team orders and Massa overtook/battled with Alonso. .

  9. Andy rus said on 14th October 2012, 9:44

    Dull. As soon as sv lead after turn 4 was rest was inevitable. (barring failures/mistakes) Mw neither being allowed to nor fast enough to challenge. Never mind the first 8 laps or so under yellows removing all chance of early drs passes to spice it up at the front.

    • andae23 (@andae23) said on 14th October 2012, 9:57

      Good point about the yellow flags at the beginning of the race: the first 10 laps, overtaking at the most obvious point on the circuit was partnered with a risk of getting a penalty. They should have a) cleared that car faster; or b) brought out the safety car, clean up the mess and recover Rosberg’s car and then go racing again.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 14th October 2012, 20:35

      The situation with the yellow flags was completely ridiculous. Some teams were telling their drivers the sector were marked as clear on their information screens.

      • On the live timing the sector kept going ‘green’ and then switching back to yellow. A few people pulled out to overtake then had to duck back in. Farcical really.

  10. adaptalis (@adaptalis) said on 14th October 2012, 9:48

    Personally i thought the effectiveness of the DRS zone was ambiguous. There were times when cars went by too simply, while there were those who struggled to get alongside (Lotuses vs Ham, Ham on Vergne) while there were those that got it just nice side by side through T3. (Gro vs Hulk after last pit). Think the straight was simply too long such that the limiter was more of a factor here than the slipstream.

    • Andy rus said on 14th October 2012, 9:54

      i agree, but also think during the early laps withs cars heavy on fuel and slow to accelerate and not hitting limiter and running close together, i think drs would have helped shuffle the pack and I was disappointed that the yellows lasted as long as they did

  11. Howard (@howard) said on 14th October 2012, 9:55

    Not bad race,
    Racing and overtakes a plenty.
    Monaco was clearly the most boring this year by far, even though it’s a “Historic Track”.

  12. Michael Naumann said on 14th October 2012, 9:59

    Driver of the race: Hamilton.

    Brilliant how he managed to simulate his next years car [*******] with the astroturf.

  13. Howard (@howard) said on 14th October 2012, 10:08

    Monaco was a complete bore fest.
    No racing, no overtakes no nothing.
    Kimi and Lewis showed great skill today.

  14. MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 14th October 2012, 10:12

    Vettel can thank Webber for letting him past at turn 1 on lap 1. Team orders – Definitely. The race was quite processional there on. I am beginning to rate Nico Hulkenberg higher than Paul Di Resta. He drove very well and very controlled. His passing was clean and fair and intelligent. Average race, 6 at best.

    • @mahavirshah
      Yeah, Webber challenging Vettel on turn 2 was a team order as well, I assume.

      • MahavirShah (@mahavirshah) said on 14th October 2012, 11:10

        @yobo01 Before the race people were discussing how Vettel was on the dirty side and how the track would be too dusty. It looked like Webber gave Vettel the space to take the lead. And practically why shouldn’t they. Webber wont have a chance to win WDC. Massa was explicitly told to stay “2-3″ seconds behind Alonso as he was catching up as the fight is between Alonso and Vettel. I am not condemning team orders. I wouldv’e issued them as well if Webber was ahead. And furthermore, they have done it in the past, maybe not explictly but they have.

        • @mahavirshah Webber left a little bit of space because he didn’t want an accident with his team mate. But it was clear that he didn’t want 2nd place, he tried to overtake Seb in turn three (I wrote turn 2 before, but it was 3) and it didn’t work out. I don’t think there were team orders, there was extra caution. If they had wanted Seb to be ahed of Mark they would have used a team order later in the lap, it’s too risky at the start.
          Besides Alonso gained the place on Hamilton. And Lewis left some space as well.

        • Mads (@mads) said on 14th October 2012, 12:32

          @mahavirshah
          If you look at the all the races held on this track it is quite clear that the dirty side is actually not that dirty. Nor is the run to the first corner very long and the guy on the dirty side starts on the inside which, in case he can get a good start, is very useful.
          It would be WAY too risky to order Webber to start slow to let Vettel past. He could quickly find him self fighting for 10th place, and if Vettel messed his start up as well, then it would be game over for RB to control the outcome of the race in any way.
          With such a long straight directly after T1 and 2, the thing they would do, would be to wait until both cars are through the first corner with all parts attached and then shuffle the positions around into T3 or maybe even T4 if things are tight at T3.
          Yes Webber did make it somewhat easy for Vettel, but I don’t think his slow speed was because he was ordered to let Vettel through.
          I think it was the other way around. Webber knew that he mocked up the start slightly, so he made sure to block Hamilton on the outside, then Vettel made sure that Alonso couldn’t split the RB’s, and then Webber just let him go. He couldn’t have done much from his position into T1 to defend his position, as Vettel was very quickly alongside him.

          • HoHum (@hohum) said on 14th October 2012, 14:07

            I am pretty sure that whenever it came Webber was not going to defend against Vettel, I think the race went exactly as they hoped it would and Webber did the job they pay him to.

      • yes it was. to stop anyone else having a stab at him.

        like someone else said its what webber is paid to do.

        not bad for a no.2

  15. Mayank (@mjf1fan) said on 14th October 2012, 10:12

    4/10. pretty boring race. The second half of the season has been dull with Monza and to some extent Spa being the exception. With Lewis leaving Mclaren, somehow again all sorts of problem are appearing in his car. RedBull again going to win both championships, its Vettel’s championship to loose now. Fernando really needs to win in India otherwise he can say goodbye to his dream of getting first championship with ferrari and hope ferrari produces a better car in 2013 to again bid for championship.
    As for Mercedes, they are touching more low with each weekend. In middle of season they were fighting places with Saubers and Force Indias and now even Torro Rosso are better in race trim. I wonder by season finale even Caterhams can outpace them.

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