Vettel well clear ahead of rivals in second practice

2013 Italian Grand Prix second practice

Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, Monza, 2013No one could get within six-tenths of a second of Sebastian Vettel during the second practice session at Monza.

Vettel’s quickest time on hard tyres was faster than anyone else could manage on mediums. When he put the softer tyres on he trimmed his time by three-tenths of a second to head the charts on a 1’24.453.

The world champion was the only driver to post a sub-85 second lap. Mark Webber made it a one-two for Red Bull, bouncing back from a KERS problem at the beginning of the session to set a best time of 1’25.116.

He was followed by the two Lotus drivers, both of which set laps which were identical to the nearest thousandth of a second. This was despite Kimi Raikkonen running the longer-wheelbase version of the E21 while Romain Grosjean used the conventional car.

Fernando Alonso put his Ferrari in the top five, albeit 0.877s off Vettel after running wide at Lesmo 2 during one of his runs. Several other drivers went off during the session.

Among them was Lewis Hamilton, who ran wide at the exit of Parabolica, as Raikkonen also had earlier on. Hamilton ended the session sixth followed by team mate Nico Rosberg.

Felipe Massa was eighth despite pitting before the end of the session with a gearbox problem. The two McLaren drivers completed the top ten, both over a second off the flying Vettel.

Pos. No. Driver Car Best lap Gap Laps
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’24.453 39
2 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’25.076 0.623 39
3 7 Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1’25.116 0.663 36
4 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1’25.116 0.663 40
5 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’25.330 0.877 38
6 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1’25.340 0.887 39
7 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’25.367 0.914 42
8 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’25.519 1.066 29
9 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.532 1.079 42
10 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1’25.627 1.174 39
11 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’25.830 1.377 40
12 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1’25.888 1.435 40
13 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’26.028 1.575 37
14 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1’26.138 1.685 36
15 18 Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’26.224 1.771 32
16 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1’26.385 1.932 43
17 19 Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’26.599 2.146 43
18 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1’27.198 2.745 44
19 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1’27.548 3.095 37
20 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1’27.696 3.243 37
21 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1’27.771 3.318 38
22 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1’28.057 3.604 32

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105 comments on Vettel well clear ahead of rivals in second practice

  1. prelvu (@prelvu) said on 6th September 2013, 16:13

    Another Merc speed BLUFF. Do u really think Hamilton will only improve 2 tenths. ITS ANOTHER HAM POLE.

  2. Twiinzspeed said on 6th September 2013, 16:32

    Grand Prix racing used to be exciting because it was unpredictable. Now that the engines are not developed and the mechanicals are pretty much bullet proof, there is no excitement. I don’t care if Vettel wins alot. I just can’t wait for the new regs to mix things up. It will increase the chances of blown engines, running out of gas, etc. 2014 should make F1 fun to watch again. Spa is one of the best tracks in the world, and I was dozing off watching the race because there was hardly anything exciting happening. Bring on 2014!

    • Robbie said on 6th September 2013, 16:44

      I hear you about wanting more unpredictability, but I can’t say that I get my excitement from seeing cars blow engines and/or run out of gas. I’d rather they be far less aero dependant and far more reliant on mechanical grip so we can get back to driver vs. driver, seat of the pants racing. Bad tires and DRS certainly aren’t doing it for me. And certainly haven’t prevented SV from a likely cakewalk this season.

      • “Mechanical grip” is not going to keep a car on the track at speeds in the 200MPH range. If people really want to see aerodynamics reduced in importance, then limiting the engines to 200HP would be a good first step. Of course that would not be F1 anymore.

        • @jonsan
          Says who? We will never know, until they actually try.

        • Robbie said on 6th September 2013, 17:54

          @jonsan Rather a silly comment on your part since I didn’t suggest eliminating aero completely…just it’s overdominance and it’s overusage to the point where they need gadgets to try to compensate. Also, Nascar has no trouble keeping cars on track at 200mph. Mechanical grip should be more dominant is all I am saying. And why default to a reduction down to 200hp? You may as well have not commented at all.

          • The cars in NASCAR develop huge amounts of downforce and employ extremely sophisticated aerodynamics – much more sophisticated in many respects than that found in F1. They actually have genuine aircraft-style flaps (a “movable aerodynamic device” in F1 speak) on the roofs of the cars. From an aerodynamic standpoint the entire concept of open-wheel racing is a bit silly and old-fashioned. NASCAR racing looks different from F1 racing because of the tracks it races on, not because it uses simple and unsophisticated aerodynamics.

    • MuzzleFlash (@muzzleflash) said on 6th September 2013, 22:08

      Probably won’t be too many blown engines, the blocks will be based on this years, but with two less cylinders and a lower rev limit. Cooling might be an issue with the bigger ERS and intercoolers, so the possibility of a few popped turbos is there, though I imagine a great deal of CFD has been done to ensure they won’t.

      @jonsan “much more sophisticated in many respects than that found in F1″ I’d be really, really interested if you’d elaborate a little more on this.

  3. Shreyas Mohanty (@) said on 6th September 2013, 17:21

    You guys know what’s best for F1? All cars of the same spec.

    • Lot’s of “F1 fans” are not actually fans of F1.

    • Kimi4WDC said on 6th September 2013, 17:32

      No. Because if that happen we will see a car-train, cause no one have advantage. Modern F1 cars don’t give much playroom.

    • @shreyasf1fan
      Go watch IndyCar then. F1 has always had the element of car development. It’s what the sport is all about, and always has been. If you don’t like that part of the sport, then it probably isn’t for you.
      It would be like removing the ball from a game of football.

    • clappy (@danielc) said on 6th September 2013, 17:43

      It would be good to see Ham beating Alo again guys, by the way I like Alo I just always see this dude critisise Ham and Alo can do no wrong. Im a fan of the 3 best drivers Ham, Alo, Vet, in no particular order although I think I prefer Ham and Vet just a little but Alo is a warrior not quick in quali but relentless on race days.

  4. iAltair (@ialtair) said on 6th September 2013, 17:31

    If Hamilton or Alonso is consistently winning, I don’t think I will see whiners.

    • Todfod (@todfod) said on 6th September 2013, 17:43

      Whiners come out when there is a huge car advantage spoling racing.

      No one would be whining if there was a car that could match the RB over the past 4 seasons. Most fans do not like seeing a driver win at every venue purely because of superior machinery.

      I think whining is completely justified

      • Robbie said on 6th September 2013, 18:04

        @todfod I think you are right and I think F1 gets that too or else they wouldn’t occasionally try to switch things up to upset the ‘natural’ order of things as each chapter occurs.

        I don’t generally whine, and I certainly wouldn’t mind as much if the fake tires and DRS was actually doing what they are supposed to do, but they haven’t, so to me it is just F1 struggling to find a formula, and I think until they get off their downforce addiction even next year’s drastic spec changes may only make for a temporary and very expensive shuffling of the order.

      • People who think that Vettel wins races “purely because of superior machinery” are whiners. People who think that there has been no car able to match RB over the last four seasons, on the other hand, are deluded.

        • M Dickens (@sgt-pepper) said on 6th September 2013, 20:04

          (@todfod)
          +1.

          (@jonsan)
          The only car to match (actually beat) the RB so far has been the early 2012 Mclaren, and that broke down most of the time.

        • WilliamB (@william-brierty) said on 6th September 2013, 20:14

          @jonsan Well that’s an amusing comment. Do you watch much grand prix racing? Well, if you ever get the chance you’ll notice that whilst both Ferrari drivers have their arms crossed as their car understeers like a cross channel ferry and Hamilton is locking up and going straight on, that Vettel is floating around the race-track as if on a cloud. When you’re sat by the race-track and you can easily see a car carries more apex speed then we are talking about a monster of a car. But I, and of course the rest of the F1 community is wrong about that clearly, and are “deluded”. You only have to look at the remarkable drivers that Vettel has beaten in the garage opposite to see what a legend he is. Where would F1 be without talent like that of Mark Webber, Sebastien Bourdais and Vitantonio Liuzzi, although, admittedly, Vettel didn’t manage to beat Liuzzi. Also do you not find it strange that despite having a car that you seemingly believe is nothing special, he is easily beating everyone, despite being beaten consistently by guys like Hamilton, Rosberg, Hulkenberg and Di Resta even in the junior series? And if you think that reminding people of things like Vettel’s unspectacular junior record, the low calibre of his teammates in F1 or of things like the fact that he has never won a race after finishing the first lap in a lower position than P2 is whining, then you sir are deluded.

          • Tell me something about “impressive” junior career of Alonso – even Webber beat him then. The only legendary driver Alonso was paired with was Lewis an he lost him. He lost to “legendary” Trulli as well. As for Vettel, he did beat Liuzzi and he never lost to Rosberg and Hulkenberg in junior series.

          • Eric (@baron-2) said on 7th September 2013, 1:51

            @william-brierty

            Vettel didn’t manage to beat Liuzzi

            Liuzzi in 2007, 3 points.
            Vettel in 2007, 6 points.

            Last time I checked 6 is a higher number than 3. And let’s not forget Vettel running 3rd in Fuji before Hamilton decided to brake test the field. Liuzzi was no where near Vettel that race.

            he is easily beating everyone, despite being beaten consistently by guys like Hamilton, Rosberg, Hulkenberg and Di Resta even in the junior series?

            Just like F1 the junior series aren’t all the same cars driving around. When Hamilton was beating everyone in F3 he was driving for what was at the time the best team. When Di Resta beat Vettel by a measly 17 points, they were driving for the best team. The year before Di Resta was in a better car than Vettel and got trashed by both his own teammate and Vettel.
            So, using feeder series as proof of driver a being much faster than driver b is laughable at best.

            Or are you really going to imply Webber is a better driver than Alonso? Thought not.

          • rentonj said on 7th September 2013, 4:14

            this di resta beat sv story…
            first of… vettel beat di resta in his rookie year
            next year vettel suffered from a hand injury all season long
            vettel is hamilton’s 2 year junior, of course he had to beat him

            btw, where are previous f3000/gp2 champs now?
            in my opinion, in these series raw speed is the decisive factor which is crucial in f1 too, but not enough

            kimi, alonso, vettel, what other proof do you need?

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 7th September 2013, 8:49

          People who think that there has been no car able to match RB over the last four seasons, on the other hand, are deluded.

          @jonsan

          Maybe you’ve been watching some other sport. Vettel wouldn’t have won a single title if he was in either a Ferrari or a Mclaren over the past 4 seasons. That’s a fact

          • Eric (@baron-2) said on 7th September 2013, 9:36

            @todfod

            That depends on who would have been driving the Red Bull instead of Vettel.

            If Webber had been top dog for Red Bull the last couple of years Red Bull might have won 2010. But 2011 and 2012? No.
            So I disagree with the notion that Vettel wouldn’t have won a single title in a Ferrari or a McLaren. In 2011 he would have beaten Button if he’d been in a McLaren and with Webber as Red Bull’s top dog that would have meant at least 1 championship for Vettel.

      • Vettel had a car advantage in 2011, but he did set a bunch of new records with his machinery.

        He didn’t have a car advantage in 2010, 2012 the McLaren was quicker and the Ferrari was far more reliable. In 2013 the Red Bull has only been quickest at Bahrain, Montreal and Spa.

        Vettel’s only “dominating” in the championship standings and that’s purely due to having not made a mistake in qualifying or the races.

  5. Vic (@hendrix666) said on 6th September 2013, 21:31

    I’d love to see Vettel deliberately qualify last and see where he ends up. He should do it when he locks up the championship with a race or three to go. LOLOL

    • mnmracer (@mnmracer) said on 6th September 2013, 22:13

      Abu Dhabi 2012?

    • Eric (@baron-2) said on 7th September 2013, 2:03

      We’ve seen his racecraft in Abu Dhabi ’12 and even more convinvingly in Brasil ’12. When the championship was on the line.

      Let’s recap at some of the other ‘better’ driver’s (as some here seem to think) championship deciding races.
      Alonso, Brasil ’12; Mopping the circuit, going off track and nearly losing it while Massa successfully fended off multiple attackers. in some instances Massa fended of multiple attackers at once. Alonso lucked into 2nd place. He wouldn’t have stood a chance without Massa and Hulkenberg and Hamilton colliding. Massa was Robin that day. Alonso was a very weak, probably sick, Batman.
      Alonso, Abu Dhabi ’10. Without DRS suddenly Alonso isn’t as good in racing through the field as Valencia ’12 or Spa ’13 would suggest. He spent his ‘victory’ lap waving solely at our friendly neighbourhood Russian.
      Hamilton, Brasil ’08. Classic Hamilton under pressure. Almost lost it completely when he got passed by this Vettel kid in a 2nd hand Red Bull. To think that this poor driver called Vettel was tailing him for most of the race really proves Hamilton was just terrible that day. Easily 2 seconds off his usual pace. Surely.
      Hamilton, Brasil ’07. Thought the best way to decide a championship is to decide it in the first lap. It turned out that wasn’t the best way to decide it, for him at least.

  6. F1Rollout (@f1rollout) said on 7th September 2013, 0:54

    No driver has won two consecutive races this season.If that does happen this weekend. Then lets focus on 2014.

    • @f1rollout that’s a very curious observation you have made there! Seems very strange for that to be the case since Vettel has won 5 races out of 11 (although that said he may have won in Britain hadn’t it been for all the tyre failures and his gearbox failure).

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