2011 half season driver rankings part 2: 15-6

2011 F1 season

Part two of the mid-season driver rankings covers the ten drivers up to sixth place.

Read my verdict, a selection of your comments on each drivers, and share your view on the best drivers of the year so far.

Paul di Resta, Force India, Silverstone, 2011

Paul di Resta, Force India, Silverstone, 2011

15. Paul di Resta

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 3/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 281/509

The reigning DTM champion has made an impressive start to his F1 career: particularly in qualifying, where he has regularly beaten his more experienced team mate.

He scored a point in his first race (aided, admittedly, by the disqualification of the Saubers) and repeated the feat at Malaysia.

Since then he’s missed opportunities to score with a few rookie mistakes, notably at Montreal and Silverstone – though the latter came after a botched pit stop had already ruined his race.

Has come into the sport “cold” and has thoroughly trounced his team-mate in qualifying. Has been unlucky with some over-officious stewarding and perhaps needs to recognise when to pull his nose out. Otherwise he would really be hammering Sutil in the standings too.
James_mc

Paul di Resta 2011 form guide

14. Nick Heidfeld

Beat team mate in qualifying 3/9
Beat team mate in race 5/7
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 236/518

A podium finish in his second start for Renault justified the team’s decision to opt for experience over youth when choosing who to put in Robert Kubica’s sadly vacant seat.

Heidfeld had a public hurry-up from team principal Eric Boullier during the season as he was lagging behind Vitaly Petrov in qualifying.

But he remains as ever a very safe pair of hands in the races. Had it not been for a collision with Kamui Kobayashi in Montreal he’d have scored in the last six races in a row. As it is he’s now moved ahead of Petrov in the points standings.

I was expecting more out of Heidfeld this season, and although he was unlucky at times (Canada), he still hasn’t been consistently stronger than his team mate.
Todfod

Nick Heidfeld 2011 form guide

Sebastien Buemi, Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, Montreal, 2011

Sebastien Buemi, Jaime Alguersuari, Toro Rosso, Montreal, 2011

13. Sebastien Buemi

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 4/6
Races finished 8/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 306/459

Buemi ended last year taking a fair beating from Jaime Alguersuari.

He turned the tables at the start of this season, finding speed and durability form the new Pirelli tyres much more quickly than his team mate.

But the balance of power has begun to shift once more and Buemi finds himself under pressure once again as we enter the second half of 2011.

He has been extracting a lot of performance from the Toro Rosso, but Alguersuari is catching up fast. He’s been solid and consistent, and he’d make a good number two at Red Bull if Webber decides to retire. He’s made it into the top ten at qualifying, but he needs to step his game up to stay ahead in the Toro Rosso driver war.
PortuGoose

Sebastien Buemi 2011 form guide

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2011

Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2011

12. Michael Schumacher

Beat team mate in qualifying 1/9
Beat team mate in race 3/7
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 171/463

A new car and a change in tyre supplier has not brought about the instantaneous return to form Schumacher’s legions of fans will have been hoping for after 2010.

There has been discernible improvement, but while Nico Rosberg has reached Q3 at every race, Schumacher has missed out four times.

There have been flashes of the old Schumacher in some races, notably in Canada, where only the impossibility of defending his position against cars with DRS cost him a podium.

But there have been some clumsy mistakes as well – he’s lost the front wing off his car in collisions in Istanbul, Valencia and Silverstone. The comeback is still refusing to come good.

A mixed season. Has had some very poor races such as Turkey, but then again has had some monster performances like at Canada. His results again aren’t reflecting how well he has driven at times. His racecraft is still questionable, but it could simply be that the other drivers aren’t scared of him any more.
sw6569

Michael Schumacher 2011 form guide

11. Sergio Perez

Beat team mate in qualifying 4/8
Beat team mate in race 2/4
Races finished 5/7
Laps spent ahead of team mate 162/337

Perez was cruelly robbed of points in his first F1 start due to a minor technical infringement by his team. Nonetheless, F1 Fanatic readers voted him Driver of the Weekend.

Since then he’s continued to exploit the Sauber C30′s low tyre wear to make inroads into the points. Last weekend he scored his best result so far, seventh, by keeping his pit stops to a minimum.

His start to the season was disrupted by that nasty shunt at Monaco. He had the sense to step down in Canada when he still wasn’t fit enough, and has got back on form since then.

It’s not been all plain sailing: he collected two penalties for collisions in Shanghai. That aside he’s made an excellent start to his F1 career.

It’s difficult not to like this guy – he made everyone smile with his 7th place debut finish, and although outclassed by Kobayashi in the succeeding races, his finding his feet again after his Monaco crash, including a 7th place finish at his first Silverstone visit.
Electrolite

Sergio Perez 2011 form guide

Timo Glock, Virgin, Monaco, 2011

Timo Glock, Virgin, Monaco, 2011

10. Timo Glock

Beat team mate in qualifying 7/9
Beat team mate in race 3/5
Races finished 6/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 326/411

Who knows at what point Timo Glock realised the second all-CFD Virgin Racing car wasn’t going to be any better than the first one. Probably at some point during those first laps with the car at Jerez.

Faced with another long season plugging away at the back of the field, Glock is resigned to making the most out of what he’s got.

He was ecstatic with his Monaco qualifying lap, even if he wasn’t able to overhaul either of the Lotuses on that occasion. At Silverstone he was keeping Jarno Trulli behind when the Lotus dropped out.

He’s got to be on the list of any front-running team with a vacancy for 2012.

Another season as a backmarker, surely not something a driver of his talent deserves. Hopefully the team improves or he moves to a better one, as he’s clearly talented and it would be great to see him driving a good car (again).
Enigma

Timo Glock 2011 form guide

9. Heikki Kovalainen

Beat team mate in qualifying 8/9
Beat team mate in race 2/4
Races finished 5/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 193/369

Another driver who deserves better machinery than he has at his disposal.

Kovalainen has been little troubled by his team mate so far this year and has grabbed opportunities to move the T128 up the order – such as his appearance in Q2 at Silverstone.

Quietly doing the job at Lotus and has been the one to take the opportunity of getting into Q2 when it comes up. It seems like he genuinely cares about making Lotus better and it doesn’t matter to him that he’s at the back, so long as he’s racing. Heikki is fast becoming one of my favourite drivers.
Icthyes

Heikki Kovalainen 2011 form guide

Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, Valencia, 2011

Kamui Kobayashi, Sauber, Valencia, 2011

8. Kamui Kobayashi

Beat team mate in qualifying 5/9
Beat team mate in race 3/5
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 245/407

No longer the upstart rookie, Kobayashi has been thrust into the role of team leader at Sauber – and he’s responded to the challenge very well.

Six points finishes in nine races only tell part of the story. An assault from Schumacher in Silverstone and the team’s disqualification in Melbourne likely cost him two more.

Best of all, he hasn’t lost his capacity for gutsy, crowd-pleasing overtaking moves – he’s still a joy to watch.

Has driven very well in a Sauber that’s much improved over last year’s. Probably the most consistent driver who doesn’t have a top-tier car.
xxiinophobia

Kamui Kobayashi 2011 form guide

7. Felipe Massa

Beat team mate in qualifying 0/9
Beat team mate in race 2/6
Races finished 7/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 116/463

Massa took a fair kicking from Fernando Alonso last year, and it’s to his credit that he’s picked himself up after it.

Buoyed by a change of tyres for 2011, he is performing noticeably better.

The qualifying scoreline still makes for painful reading but Massa has been within hundredths of Alonso at some races. He made a habit of jumping his team mate at the start earlier in the year, too.

He had a particularly good run in China, passing Lewis Hamilton early on and finishing in front of Alonso, albeit in sixth place.

Despite claims Massa’s season is looking better than 2010, he is always the last of the top three teams. He has showed some good performances in qualifying almost matching Alonso like in Canada, and beat him in Malaysia and China, but he has yet to finish higher than fifth. After nine races, three podiums a win by his team mate, podiums should be in reach for the Brazilian.
Fixy

Felipe Massa 2011 form guide

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

Mark Webber, Red Bull, Shanghai, 2011

6. Mark Webber

Beat team mate in qualifying 2/9
Beat team mate in race 0/9
Races finished 9/9
Laps spent ahead of team mate 6/551

Webber badly needed to put one over Sebastian Vettel at Silverstone, so no wonder he ignored the team’s demand for him to back off.

The Red Bull duo are the only drivers to have completed every racing lap this year – and Webber was ahead for just six of them.

True, he’s had some problems with KERS during the year, but this alone isn’t enough to explain the gap to his team mate – Vettel has not been immune to similar problems.

Early in the year Webber was having a much harder time with the new tyres than his team mate – wearing them out more quickly and not getting the same performance out of them. He’s made significant progress in that regard since then.

China was his stand-out performance of the first half of the year. Left 18th on the grid after failing to get through Q1 on hard tyres without KERS, he raced through the field to an excellent third place.

Some good drives, but he has the same car as the champion and is 80 points behind him. Amazing in China though.
Daykind

Mark Webber 2011 form guide

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152 comments on 2011 half season driver rankings part 2: 15-6

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  1. sozavele (@formula-1) said on 17th July 2011, 9:30

    glad heikki’s ninth

    • Daniel said on 17th July 2011, 12:24

      Kovalainen is more and more like Barrichello or Fisichella: showing brilliant performances with underperforming teams, but underperforming with race-winning machinery.

      Don’t forget his only win came in a race (Humgary 2008) where Felipe Massa was running untroubled for victory, until the brazilian’s engine blow away with four laps to go. At that same year, his team-mate was world champion.

      Anyway, this year he deserves Keith’s ranking.

  2. slr said on 17th July 2011, 9:35

    I think Webber should be moved down to eighth as he has been completely dominated by Vettel. I mostly agree with the rest, though I’m slightly surprised that Rosberg is in the top five.

    • Hamish said on 17th July 2011, 10:36

      I don’t think its really down to Mark performing badly, more that Vettel is on amazing form.

      • tattsbrah (@xbarrettmatex) said on 17th July 2011, 11:39

        I do think people are being really tough on Mark this year, I mean he is still second in the championship, so it’s not like he is finishing in 9th place every race.

        • Daniel said on 17th July 2011, 12:29

          But he’s second with 60% of his team-mate’s points. That says more than his position on the standings.

          If he was finishing 9th every race, he would be sacked mid-season, like Andretti from McLaren in 1993…

          • Mike said on 17th July 2011, 13:33

            He is kinda being trounced like Schumacher was last year…

            Least he knows ho Irvine felt eh?

    • BasCB (@bascb) said on 17th July 2011, 13:23

      But he did get at least 2 poles where he did beat his teammate, and he has finished the races with solid points and no accidents.

      I agree that he should be doing more, but that should bring him into the top 4-5. I don’t think there’s anyone really out of place here.

      • unocv12 said on 17th July 2011, 14:01

        For fks sake…. Much of the reason Webber is lacking in points is because

        Australia… Chassis
        Malaysia… KERS in fastest Q3 run (so the first was faster but sohuldn’t have been), AND KERS off the line down to 10th
        China… Quali 18th
        Spain… stratergy meant most of the race behind slow Alonso
        Monaco… Pit stop should have put him 7th put him 14th.
        Canada…. KERS quali, should have been on pole with the KERS boost. BUt had to start 4th because of it. Hit by Hamilton (not Webbers fault) then battled through several cars several times to get through the finish just behind teammate despite vettel’s easy run
        Britain… Start??? Started same as VEttel then stopped and VEttel went straight past. No explanation and even brundle and coulthard couldn’t work it out

        Sure, Webber hasn’t had the pace of Vettel for most of the first half of the seaosn, but the reason his pioints are so far behind is because WEbber has had problems during that have effect his Quali and/or start. These being the 2 most important times during a race to have things working properly.

        • unocv12 said on 17th July 2011, 14:04

          For above…
          Europe…. Having to short shift to keep his gearbox alive rather than race for position

          Excluding Spain quali, Vettel’s problems have all been mid race. Meaning he has been, bar that one time had fully working car and machinery for his quali.

          AND has had everything working to get off the line each and every race.

          Radios and KERS not working at times during the race don’t matter as much as the positions are more or less set by then as opposed to the start where not having KERS is 8 or 9 positions as Webber found out in Malaysia

          • unocv12 said on 17th July 2011, 14:29

            And I really don’t understand how these races inwhich barely any mistakes where made could be judged as WORSE than someone who

            Hit several drivers in Monaco
            Several ‘meetings’ with the stewards
            A Penalty
            Having to make an extra stop compared to stratergy in Malaysia?/China the one with Alonso.

            Top 6 should be

            1) Vettel…. made most of his car
            2) Alonso…. really performing well and pushing his team.. I mean Ferrari
            3) Webber… some great performances, Malaysia, China both standout. Driven through the field several times. Had a bad car at critical times more often than not
            4) Hamilton… for being ahead of Button every race he didn’t hit anyone
            5) Button for being consistant, despite hitting his teammate. Good driving in Canada. ANd solid points scorer everywhere else, but nothing spectacular. Started 5th or Hamilton 10th in GB. Within laps Hamilton had caught up to Button despite the same car being used for both.
            6) Rosberg… Beating Schumacher again, but by a bit less. Been mostly under the radar, horrible car on hard tyres in race trim. Out performing his teammate in similiar machinery

            7) Kobayashi
            8) Massa

          • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th July 2011, 15:55

            “Should have” sums up Webber’s season. In the fastest car, he should have won a race. Vettel’s season last year could have been summed up the similarly- but I’m even more proud that he came through and won anyway.

            Webber had a problem in Australia that developed after Vettel and Hamilton left in their dust. He lost nothing in Monaco since he was struggling to keep up with the top 3 in Monaco before the bad pitstop. In Canada, you mention Webber’s lack of qualifying KERS but not Vettel’s lack in Spanish qualifying?

            Hamilton has had collisions, but aside from that has impressed and extarcted more from his car than Webber has. In Spain he heckled Vettel for the win, Australia he was beating the second RB7 before either driver suffered a problem, and of course in China he actually beat Vettel. More than enough to top Webber in this ranking.

          • unocv12 said on 17th July 2011, 16:20

            David, Webber was struggling with the Chassis in practice and then in Quali and then in the race. THe race hadn’t even started before it was shown that Webber was having problems. Funnily enough he has since changed chassis’ and the problem is resolved. The original got sent back to fixing.

            I mentioned Webber’s lack of KERS in Canada because I’m talking about why Webber’s end result isn’t showing what he did. Vettel had the same problem in Spain but only lost 1 position not 3. I’m not talking about Vettel. He has done a great job and used the car to do almost all that is possible.

            Hamilton has had good races, but also bad. Monaco, australia, china, europe and gb, but also 2 horrible in Malaysia and driving like a tool in Monaco. Really no excuse for that.

            You say Webber only developed the problem after the drivers had left the grid but his times in quali disagree
            Vettel:
            1:25.296

            1:24.090

            1:23.529

            Webber:
            1:25.900 (+.604)

            1:24.658 (+.568)

            1:24.395 (+.866)

            I’ve included the differences. Quite clearly the problem was about 6 tenths and Webber couldn’t push any more without over driving the car which caused in in Q3 when that happened to push out to around 8 and half tenths.

            That is well before ‘Vettel and Hamilton left in their dust’.

          • suka (@suka) said on 18th July 2011, 6:41

            I too think Webber is underrated…great points and very objective to put him on p3 as well as for the other top 6,7 drivers.

  3. Damon said on 17th July 2011, 9:38

    Vitaly Petrov 5th (4th?!) and almost 10 positions before Heidfeld?!? Woah! I’m outraged. :)
    But we’ll discuss that in the next article.

    I don’t think this…
    Beat team mate in race 0/9
    Laps spent ahead of team mate 6/551
    …makes Webber deserve the 6th place.

    • slr said on 17th July 2011, 9:40

      Petrov was around 18th or 19th. The top five is Alonso, Button, Hamilton, Rosberg and Vettel.

      • matt90 said on 17th July 2011, 15:00

        Gonna be
        1. Vettel- A powerhouse. Hasn’t had the most spectacular performances, but has barely put a foot wrong. Had the best car, but used it to perfection.
        2. Alonso- Some good performances. Gets the place over Hamilton because of his chaotic couple of races.
        3. Hamilton- Went off the rails, dropping him down, but has been a great racer the rest of the time, fast in a not spectalucar car.
        4. Button- Canada was a great race, he’s shown good form elsewhere
        5. Rosberg- solid in an average car, plugging away to get some good results, still beating Schumacher.

        Depending how harsh/lenient Keith is on Hamilton’s collisions, him and Alonso might swap. Possibly Button and Rosberg will swap too.

  4. RIISE (@riise) said on 17th July 2011, 9:41

    Heikki 9th? Thinking about that I would have to agree. He has been comprehensively beating Jarno, who lets face it is still a quick driver, I just wish these supposed Power steering issues would be sorted so we can see real parity between the 2.

    A lot of people on here are going to disagree with the Heidfeld position but I’m not sure why. He has been better than Petrov this season even though the points are close. Qualifying would suggest Petrov has greater one lap pace but when it comes to the race he really becomes a non-entity with the experience of Nick showing through.

    As for the rest (Even Timo) I have to agree with the rankings.

    • Steph said on 17th July 2011, 12:45

      I can’t make up my mind about Timo. I don’t think he’s been as good this year as he was last but maybe that’s just because of the car.

    • Victor. said on 17th July 2011, 13:18

      I fail to see how Heidfeld is in front of Di Resta. Heidfeld has been a disappointment by hardly being able to outpace Petrov. Di Resta on the other hand is thrashing his team mate in his rookie year. Sure, he’s gonna make rookie mistakes, but every rookie does. Hamilton was ranked first in 2007 despite making thousands of mistakes. Di Resta has been one of the most impressive drivers this season and easily deserves to be in the top ten in my eyes.

      Glock is also too high up. Last year he was amazing, but this year I don’t recall any brilliance like in Singapore 2010. In fact I think he’s barely been noticable (not that he’s driven badly, not just not as spectacularly as Kovalainen).

      The biggest mistake however in my humble opinion is Webber being sixth. What is the justification for that? He’s been torn to pieces by Vettel. Of course, he’s second in the championship, but really, who wouldn’t be with the RB7 at their disposal? He hasn’t finished a single race in front of his team mate and has only outqualified him twice – and let’s be honest, Barcelona was down to Vettel having issues with his KERS. Kobayashi should easily be in front of him and possibly Massa based on his performances this year.

      • BasCB (@bascb) said on 17th July 2011, 13:24

        But Heidfeld did get on the podium, and he has finished ahead of where he started in most.

        • Victor. said on 17th July 2011, 13:31

          So did Petrov, and the second argument loses most of its weight when one considers that he shouldn’t qualify so low to begin with.

          • Mike said on 17th July 2011, 13:36

            It doesn’t lose weight when you consider Petrov has just about done the exact opposite.

      • Marco said on 17th July 2011, 15:01

        Again those Di Resta “trashing” stories? :D

        • unocv12 said on 17th July 2011, 16:00

          I think more and more than people are just reading others’ comments and retyping them into boxes. Learn from what you read ehre then repeat.

          It’s close between them. Sutil has the upper hand, but for a rookie (remembering that while he has been very good at open wheel single seaters in the past, he hasn’t driven them lately, but isn’t new to high level racing given he is a DTM champion [which is no mean feat if you look at drivers like coulthard, hakkinen and paffet have done]).

          9 – 10 – Sutil just, Di Resta Moral victory
          11 – 10 – Di Resta just
          15 – 11 – Di Resta win
          13 – DNF – Sutil win, was faster that weekened
          13 – 12 – Di Resta just
          7 – 12 – Sutil. Was higher until contact. Lucky to continue after contact, but would have been higher without it, lower without luck. Di Resta failed overtaking tihs weekend (although not as bad as several of the recent WDC’s….)
          DNF – DNF (18) – Di Resta in quali. But a penalty and crahsing out didn’t prove to be a good weekend for him. Sutil hit the wall at turn 7. Not one either would look fondly back on in performance terms
          9 – 14 – Sutil win
          11 – 15 – Di Resta was better in Quali as per normal (good sign for Di Resta), but a bad pit stop put him down the order. He later ruined Buemis race (or what he had of it) by destroying Buemis rear tyre.

          So all in all, Di Resta is showing up to be a great talent. Sutil is no easy driver having easily outclassed Liuzzi who isn’t exactly the slowest driver in the world. L this year has destroyed NK who is the slowest driver in the world.

          Sutil is just better than Di Resta so far, and and is a far more consistant driver.

          Di Resta is showing more signs of speed and is qualifying much better. One could wonder if he could have won Spa in ’09. Di Resta is making mistakes though, at several races this year. Not stupid mistakes, but clumsy ones non the less.

          If his pace improves and he gets more climatised to single seaters again (given his experience in the lsat efw years has been friday practices, not bad for a rookie, but not the best) he should been a WDC contendor in a top car.

          Sutil is a solid midfield driver what Di Resta has done is no mean feat.

          I’m not a particular fan of either nor the team so my facts could be slightly off or I may have missed something. But overall, not a thrashing, in fact Sutil has been better while Di Resta has performed very well to date.

    • Mr draw said on 22nd July 2011, 8:39

      Yeah, Co Valainen should be ranked higher. He has been driving superbly. Di Resta was also impressive, so I think his ranking is also fairly low.

  5. James Brickles said on 17th July 2011, 9:45

    My prediction on Keith’s rankings ;)

    5. Nico Rosberg
    4. Lewis Hamilton
    3. Jenson Button
    2. Fernando Alonso
    1. Sebastian Vettel

    • Tom11 (@tom11) said on 17th July 2011, 9:58

      Lewis still outperforms Button even with all of his crashing.

      • Atticus said on 17th July 2011, 10:38

        Yes, definitely, Lewis is going to be in front of Jenson with drives like Australia, Turkey and Spain. Though Jenson slices off a huge chank of his lead with the irrepressible Canadian victory.

        For me, it would be

        5. Jenson Button
        4. Lewis Hamilton
        3. Nico Rosberg
        2. Fernando Alonso
        1. Sebastian Vettel

        What Nico and Fernando get out of their clearly inferior packages shows off some devastating talent.

        They still made mistakes though, and I’m fairly sure Sebastian would have done the same in the Mercedes and the Ferrari respectively had he driven those cars, such is his ability too.

        No. 1. car with arguably the No. 1. driver makes for a hefty lead in the WDC.

        • Atticus said on 17th July 2011, 10:39

          I mean Vettel would have got this performance out of the inferior cars as well. Not the mistakes.

        • gwenouille (@gwenouille) said on 17th July 2011, 10:49

          I’d go for that order too…

          • Q85 said on 17th July 2011, 11:51

            nico is a tad to high in that order. esp if michael is 12th. michael should be tad higher and nico a tad lower.

            when ever things get hard its not nico performing. i refer to malaysia, monaco, canada and first half of silverstone where nico’s performances were not anywhere near good enough.

            when its all going well he is the boy. any slight change he drops like a stone.

            and nicos has not improved his position once in the race, which shows how well he qualifies, But whats the point when more often than not your team mate is ahead of you by turn 3.

        • Macca (@macca) said on 17th July 2011, 14:01

          I think it should be…

          1. Sebastian Vettel
          2. Fernando Alonso
          3. Jenson Button
          4. Mark Webber
          5. Nico Rosberg
          6. Lewis Hamilton

        • Todfod (@todfod) said on 18th July 2011, 9:08

          I’m not getting why Nico is in the top 5 this season. Last year he was consistently quick, and maximised on the car’s potential, but this year, he seemed really poor on numerous occassions. He didn’t show up in Monaco and Canada, and other than the Chinese GP, he hasn’t done anything special enough to belong in the top 5. He hasn’t been great at a lot of venues this year, and honestly, Schumacher has looked more impressive than Nico on a lot of Sundays. The whole of last season Nico looked like a superior driver to Schumacher. This season, he has looked only marginally better, so I honestly do not understand the huge difference in the rankings.

          • IceMan said on 18th July 2011, 11:46

            +1

          • Robbie said on 18th July 2011, 13:29

            I wonder if it is because of NR’s greater number of higher quali positions, and the fact that he is leading MS in points…still…after a year and a half of MS’s return. Merc had a chance to build this year’s car more to MS’s liking which we all know they tried to do after MS struggled for front end grip last year. But that hasn’t phazed NR one bit.NR has not been in the fender benders MS has, and seems consistant in races.

            I think the point here is that MS, as a 7 time WDC, is the one that is supposed to have been trouncing NR…many thought that would happen after a few races of MS getting acclimatized to F1 upon his return…now it is a season and a half and MS has not phazed NR one bit, in fact NR still leads him in points…MS has had usually better starts than NR, but tends to squander them with front wing damage.

            NR sits ‘best of the rest’ after the top 3 teams even though he hasn’t ‘looked’ as strong as last year. But isn’t that because last year NR looked stronger vs. MS because MS was understandably needing time to get reaquainted with F1…but MS still looks to be in that mode in a way, or at least if he has a better handle on things he has squandered it and NR still leads…there was a time when having MS as a teammate meant huge pressure…either MS no longer phazes drivers and doesn’t apply pressure any longer, or NR is great at dealing with the pressure. It’s a two-sided coin…perhaps it is NR’s handling of MS that is the reason other drivers are not phazed by MS being on the track, and they’re all taking the fight to him without hesitation.

            Bottom line for me…if you are one who puts MS on a pedestal for all he has done in F1, then NR deserves to be on a pedestal for how he has dealt with MS as a teammate.

      • PieLighter said on 17th July 2011, 10:39

        He’s ahead in the standings because of McLaren’s pit cock-up – before Silverstone Button was ahead IIRC, but I may be wrong.

        • BasCB (@bascb) said on 17th July 2011, 13:28

          I also think Button is just a bit in front of Hamilton (although HAM does look like he got the right turn in Silverstone again), if not for that pitstop Button might have finished ahead of Hamilton and Webber there. He would have finished all races and been probably second in the WDC in front of Webber.

          Rosberg deserves being in 5th, as he has always been in Q3 and got solid results in most races, but not in front of either McLaren.

        • Mike said on 17th July 2011, 13:40

          Hamilton has arguably had more impressive drives, its just that he has had more impressive stuff ups as well. I think overall they are remarkably even.

  6. Yay I’ve been mentioned!! Thanks Keith!

    But I think it’s a bit harsh on Di Resta.

  7. F1 98 said on 17th July 2011, 9:55

    Glocks to far and kamui is to low maybe 7 or 6th place

    • Todfod (@todfod) said on 17th July 2011, 10:05

      Yeah.. for some reason I thought Glock has performed pretty poorly this season. I find it hard to believe that he is actually ranked at #10. I thought Kamui was better than Rosberg so far as well..

      • zecks said on 17th July 2011, 15:20

        If we consider the relative development budgets of mercedes against sauber, it is almost unbelievable that Kamui could be getting into q3. Qualifying was his weakness last season, so it is mightly impressive how he has upped his game

  8. Tom11 (@tom11) said on 17th July 2011, 9:57

    The problem for Webber is this.

    He rarely can out qualify Seb. So he starts on the dirty side (and can’t seem to get off the line even when on pole)

    This leaves him in the dirty air of either his team mate or a McLaren and Ferrari too depending on the weekend, compromising his tires.

    His tires go off because he’s always around other cars so Seb just glides off into the distance.

    Webber also always seems to cop the back end of bad strategy (China) or KERS problems. Seb is yet to get a single blunder this season.

    Now im not saying that Webber has performance to Seb’s level, the simple fact is that he hasn’t. But the gap of 80 points is not actually reflective of the performance difference between them.

    This is all assuming they have the same machinery too….

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:27

      I am with you there Tom, Webber has been given the role of backing up Vettel and the team strategy for Mark is that of getting “safe” points for the team except when car issues have had him start from the tail end, then he is asked for and has given performances reminiscent of Schuis glory years setting fastest lap after fastest lap and carving through the field. Some people may rank him outside the top six but he is definitely without a doubt the number one number two, just ask Dieter.

      • Tom M in Australia said on 18th July 2011, 5:50

        the number one number two

        I think that’s a great way to describe him (not that Webber himself would appreciate it).

        If I were Red Bull I would sign both Vettel / Webber up for another 3,4,5 years. They are the perfect driver pairing.

  9. Tom11 (@tom11) said on 17th July 2011, 9:59

    I think in a perfect world it would go

    1. Fernando Alonso
    2. Lewis Hamilton
    3. Sebastian Vettel
    4. Jenson Button
    5. Mark Webber

    difficult to tell from here on down.

    • Hamish said on 17th July 2011, 10:43

      Vettel clearly will be number 1. Have no idea how you could give Hamilton a ranking of 2 after some of his performances this year.

      1. Vettel
      2. Alonso
      3. Button
      4. Rosberg
      5. Hamilton

    • HoHum (@hohum) said on 17th July 2011, 20:33

      Tom, I am a great believer in Jenson and I would love to see Jenson & Mark as team-mates, I reckon it could go either way, and I reckon Mark would be the top qualifier and might even look like Seb V. if the car was as good as the RB. relative to the rest.

  10. rewas said on 17th July 2011, 10:08

    Why is Schumi only 12., in team-mate comparison he has done better than Massa or Webber, is Rosberg really that good? Answer is no. So basically this is rated how well do you do compared to your team-mate for example Kovalainen has beaten Trulli almost every time so there are two possibilities 1.Trulli is a bad driver ( I recommend) 2. Kovalainen is better than Schumacher ( I don’t recommend)
    If this is how you do it then why don’t you put Webber in 24. place where he belongs according to this ranking?
    And by the way Rosberg is too high, he doesn’t deserve 5th place, maybe 7th he’s just too invisible in races the director doesn’t even bother showing him on the camera because he isn’t doing anything other than “cruising” around.

    • hawkfist said on 17th July 2011, 10:51

      The director never bothered showing him in China until he’d been in 1st on merit for about 3 laps. He seems to get overlooked by everyone whether he’s doing good or bad.

    • bananarama said on 17th July 2011, 11:15

      While I wouldn’t go that far I agree to some extent. Rosberg is a good driver doing a very good job but there are only two things left he has over Schumacher this year: he can extract the pace in qualifying and he doesn’t crash when being ahead of his teammate. While I agree that should put him ahead of his teammate I don’t agree that it should put him that much ahead. I hope Schumacher will find his pace in qualifying (ask your pal vettel..) so he can stay out of midfield trouble and I believe then we can see him consistently on par with Rosberg or ahead.

    • debaser91 said on 17th July 2011, 11:43

      Schumacher is supposed to be a seven time world champion, but keeps crashing into the back of people. How many races has he lost his front wing this season? He drove very well in Canada, and his race pace has looked quite good over the course of the season but he keeps making stupid errors,

      • Odinsthor (@krss77) said on 17th July 2011, 12:20

        First of all he is 42 years old but still, when conditions are difficult, he is faster than Rosberg. He made mistake in Silverstone but Heidfeld in Canada was also a victim of Kamui weird driving on wet.

        Despite penalty, Michael had faster and more constant times than Rosberg in Silverstone.

        ps. When track was still wet Schumacher and Hamiltons overtaking moves into Copse on slicks…..masterpiece!

        • debaser91 said on 17th July 2011, 12:45

          The age excuse doesn’t really wash with me. He should be judged on his performances on their own merit.

          The incident at Silverstone was Schumacher’s fault. He was using DRS and braked too late to compensate for this, he looked on course for a very good result if he hadn’t done that however as his race pace was very good.

          It’s a shame that 90 per cent of the races are run under bone dry conditions otherwise Schumacher would be right up the front again :)

          • bananarama said on 17th July 2011, 14:07

            Sure it was his fault but things happen. Someone should make a statistic on how many penalties are given per race and another for penalties per incident per race for the last 30 years. I guess its pretty much impossible to do that as one would have to review hundreds of races but I’m pretty sure we had a peak in 2007 and are still close to that level. Sure, stupidity and really bad behaviour on track needs to be punished but a lot of stuff simply happens, its racing …

          • Robbie said on 18th July 2011, 13:44

            MS was predicted by Ross Brawn prior to the 2010 season and MS’s return, to be WDC for 2010…a year and a half later he is behind his teammate in points still, and is merely being compared to NR, someone who has never even won a race (no offence intended NR, your day may come)…

            By now most thought he would certainly have gelled with Merc and developed the car to be fighting with the top drivers for wins, yet when he seems to be at least having a better day, he squanders it.

            To me, by now MS has shown his return to be a massive disappointment for those who had higher hopes for him, and it should be small consolation that all he is doing is improving relative to NR…throw Canada out the door…it was too topsy turvy to call MS’s drive much other than luck of the draw in timing weather wise and tire wise…and then he immediately was back to his usual spot behind NR in the next race.

  11. dfketr said on 17th July 2011, 10:12

    button and hamilton should be in this category and not top 5, as they have failed to get the points their car deserves. i think di resta should be above schumacher and glock also.
    my top 5 would be 1. vettel 2. alonso 3.kovaleinen 4. rosberg
    5. kobayashi or di resta
    my scores would be for not only results, but whether the driver is getting the best possible from his car. vettel, alonso, kovaleinen and rosberg are extracting the most speed from the cars they have.

    • F1 98 said on 17th July 2011, 11:14

      Button and hamilton deserve to be in the
      Top 5 because they are the people
      To have won this season desides
      Vettel. Alonso number 1 for me.

  12. ILoveVettel said on 17th July 2011, 10:22

    Even though I am fond of Glock, I think he should not be that fur up in the ranking..
    Agree with the rest….

  13. electrolite (@electrolite) said on 17th July 2011, 10:56

    It’s great to see both Sauber drivers so high up, and at the same time, both more equally matched than other team mates in the statistics.

    Didn’t realise Rosberg outdone Schumacher by that much though. I don’t think you can put Schumacher ahead, as he’s behind on points – but he’s definitely had more flare for me.

  14. TFLB said on 17th July 2011, 11:03

    Kovalainen doesn’t deserve ninth, he’s being beaten by Trulli in the races. I would also have put Webber, Massa and Rosberg behind Kobayashi and Perez.

  15. wasiF1 said on 17th July 2011, 11:11

    Glock & Kovalainen in the top 10? What mistake did Petrov did ??

    • F1 98 said on 17th July 2011, 11:16

      Poor qualifying and outpaced by heldfeld

      • wasiF1 said on 17th July 2011, 11:44

        But he managed to get a podium on the opening race, then collected some good points since then,I do agree he had some disappointing result but that still can convince me that he was lagging behind Barrichello & Sutil.

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