Alonso says Ferrari’s pace confirms progress

2011 German GP FP2 analysis

Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Nurburgring, 2011

Fernando Alonso, Ferrari, Nurburgring, 2011

Against expectations, the weather stayed dry for both practice sessions today, allowing the teams to complete their testing programmes.

Red Bull and Ferrari were closely-matched with little over a tenth of a second between them.

But McLaren appear to be in an increasingly distant third place and were slower than both Mercedes in the afternoon session.

Here’s all the data from second practice at the Nurburgring.

Longest stint comparison

  • Both Alonso and Vettel showed similarly consistent tyre performance over their longest stints, each of eight laps.
  • After his long run Jaime Alguersuari said he expected to be stronger in the race than in qualifying, which has been the pattern for him in recent races: “I did a long run on the [soft] tyre this afternoon and we are still looking better in race trim than in the qualifying simulation.” He added: “Qualifying will again be the limiting factor for us, because it will be very difficult to get ahead of our closest opponents, but I am very motivated for the race.”
  • Renault say they did not do a high-fuel run as Nick Heidfeld was testing the new rearward-facing exhaust and Vitaly Petrov lost time with a water leak on his car.

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/charts/2011drivercolours.csv

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16
Sebastian Vettel 97.482 108.001 96.888 96.899 97.126 96.657 102.582 97.022
Mark Webber 98.497 97.538 97.778 97.035 96.853 97.02 96.481 96.442 96.93 96.478 96.64 97.308 96.947
Lewis Hamilton 98.663 97.654 97.793 97.947 97.421 97.267 103.996 101.13 97.694
Jenson Button 96.895 95.549
Fernando Alonso 97.472 97.457 97.415 97.189 97.43 98.886 97.512 97.408
Felipe Massa 97.832 97.403 97.576 97.236 105.394 97.411 97.578 97.348 97.756 97.552 100.158
Michael Schumacher 98.959 99.234 100.093 113.903 99.245 99.413 98.898 99.137 98.911 99.225 99.426
Nico Rosberg 103.786 99.09 98.926 98.916 98.991 98.959 98.648 99.026 98.658 98.77
Nick Heidfeld 93.098 103.948 93.628 95.119
Vitaly Petrov 100.464 99.973 99.783 100.313
Rubens Barrichello 99.631 105.469 99.751 100.111 99.352
Pastor Maldonado 101.3 101.588 100.152 99.895 99.439 99.333 103.405 101.164 99.819 100.858 106.382 100.95
Adrian Sutil 97.389 97.103 98.292 98.202 98.157 98.031 98.007 98.267 98.585 98.273 98.429 99.115 99.05
Paul di Resta 98.658 98.683 99.096 99.101 98.877 98.868 98.297 98.455 98.338 98.23 98.494 99.776 98.382
Kamui Kobayashi 99.658 99.369 99.49 99.097 99.697 104.691 101.598 99.425 100.004
Sergio Perez 98.806 98.865 98.335 98.549 98.409 98.984 98.888 98.773 98.258
Sebastien Buemi
Jaime Alguersuari 100.547 100.211 99.952 99.663 99.601 99.573 99.591 99.724 99.485 99.36 99.172 99.146 99.219 100.052 99.682 99.797
Heikki Kovalainen 100.162 100.043 107.254 100.232 99.912 99.808 99.52 99.239 99.14 99.149 99.537 99.245 116.245 100.012 99.638
Karun Chandhok 104.035 102.429 103.433 103.446 101.203 116.749 102.494 112.478
Daniel Ricciardo 101.864 100.737 101.77
Vitantonio Liuzzi 101.813 101.021 101.927 101.831 100.959 101.475 103.39 101.368 101.212
Timo Glock 102.025 102.413 101.398 101.855 101.873 101.795 101.815 108.921 101.613
Jerome d’Ambrosio 104.09 103.466 103.863 103.964 105.076 103.581 103.978

Ultimate lap times

An ultimate lap is a driver’s fastest three sector times combined.

  • Alonso aborted a couple of quicker runs during second practice and the ultimate lap time shows he had further time in hand.
  • Following Lotus’s driver swap Timo Glock has shown the pace to threaten Karun Chandhok. That said, he was leading Jarno Trulli at Silverstone until the Lotus driver retired.
  • The gap between Jenson Button’s lap time and Lewis Hamilton’s is partly explained by Button not having KERS for part of the session. But even so he’s concerned about McLaren’s pace and said “it will be difficult for us to beat the Red Bulls in qualifying.”
Car Driver Car Ultimate lap Gap Deficit to best
1 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’31.646 0.065
2 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’31.677 0.031 0.202
3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’32.084 0.438 0.000
4 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’32.164 0.518 0.190
5 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’32.311 0.665 0.100
6 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’32.547 0.901 0.010
7 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’32.724 1.078 0.000
8 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’32.954 1.308 0.144
9 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’32.978 1.332 0.160
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’33.036 1.390 0.175
11 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’33.225 1.579 0.000
12 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’33.268 1.622 0.031
13 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’34.079 2.433 0.034
14 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’34.291 2.645 0.200
15 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’34.344 2.698 0.000
16 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’34.365 2.719 0.122
17 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’34.940 3.294 0.056
18 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’35.753 4.107 0.000
19 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’36.680 5.034 0.260
20 21 Karun Chandhok Lotus-Renault 1’37.145 5.499 0.103
21 25 Jerome d’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’37.259 5.613 0.054
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’38.112 6.466 0.033
23 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 1’39.657 8.011 1.080

Complete practice times

  • Alonso said Ferrari’s pace at the Nurburgring was the result of progress made over several races: “I?ve said it before, it?s not a case of a miracle having happened at Silverstone, because of the regulations relating to the exhausts. That result was down to the many improvements introduced race after race, as could be seen from the fact that, even from Monaco, we had returned to a good level in terms of being competitive and here too, where we are back to the Valencia rules, we are at the front end of the field.”
  • Unusually, Sebastian Vettel found himself behind his team mate in both sessions. He said low track temperatures had made the circuit more difficult to drive: “It was cold out there today! It was good fun, the circuit was quite slippery with the low temperatures, but we did a lot of laps and the car seems okay, although I?m not 100% happy yet.”
  • Rubens Barrichello was downbeat about Williams’ pace having placed 14th in both sessions: “We weren?t as competitive as we should have been today,” he said. Team mate Pastor Maldonado added he expects a “tough weekend”.
  • Both Force India drivers set their best times using the development soft tyres, as did Daniel Ricciardo. The rest all used race-specification soft tyres.
Car Driver Car Best lap Gap Stint lap At time Laps
1 2 Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1’31.711 3/3 59 34
2 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1’31.879 0.168 3/5 49 38
3 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1’32.084 0.373 2/3 63 28
4 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1’32.354 0.643 1/4 52 36
5 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1’32.411 0.700 1/4 54 31
6 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1’32.557 0.846 1/3 60 32
7 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1’32.724 1.013 1/2 50 28
8 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault 1’33.098 1.387 1/4 85 17
9 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault 1’33.138 1.427 1/3 73 22
10 14 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1’33.211 1.500 1/3 57 34
11 4 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1’33.225 1.514 1/1 65 17
12 15 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1’33.299 1.588 1/3 56 34
13 17 Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1’34.113 2.402 5/5 66 35
14 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1’34.344 2.633 3/3 59 34
15 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1’34.487 2.776 1/3 44 37
16 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1’34.491 2.780 4/4 56 35
17 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Cosworth 1’34.996 3.285 3/3 53 35
18 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Renault 1’35.753 4.042 2/3 56 42
19 24 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1’36.940 5.229 1/3 62 32
20 21 Karun Chandhok Lotus-Renault 1’37.248 5.537 3/3 55 33
21 25 Jerome D’Ambrosio Virgin-Cosworth 1’37.313 5.602 3/3 91 33
22 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT-Cosworth 1’38.145 6.434 2/4 58 31
23 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT-Cosworth 1’40.737 9.026 2/3 8 4

Speed trap

  • As in the first session, Michael Schumacher was the fastest driver through the speed trap.
  • He was slightly down on the 308kph he hit in first practice, but still around 3kph faster than the highest top speed seen here in 2009.
# Driver Car Engine Max speed Gap
1 7 Michael Schumacher Mercedes Mercedes 306.4
2 9 Nick Heidfeld Renault Renault 304.4 2
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Renault 303.2 3.2
4 10 Vitaly Petrov Renault Renault 303 3.4
5 8 Nico Rosberg Mercedes Mercedes 302.2 4.2
6 5 Fernando Alonso Ferrari Ferrari 301.3 5.1
7 14 Adrian Sutil Force India Mercedes 301 5.4
8 6 Felipe Massa Ferrari Ferrari 300.1 6.3
9 15 Paul di Resta Force India Mercedes 300.1 6.3
10 19 Jaime Alguersuari Toro Rosso Ferrari 299.8 6.6
11 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Renault 299.4 7
12 17 Sergio Perez Sauber Ferrari 296.4 10
13 16 Kamui Kobayashi Sauber Ferrari 296.3 10.1
14 4 Jenson Button McLaren Mercedes 295.1 11.3
15 3 Lewis Hamilton McLaren Mercedes 293.7 12.7
16 12 Pastor Maldonado Williams Cosworth 293.4 13
17 11 Rubens Barrichello Williams Cosworth 293.2 13.2
18 24 Timo Glock Virgin Cosworth 293 13.4
19 25 Jerome D’Ambrosio Virgin Cosworth 292.8 13.6
20 20 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus Renault 291.2 15.2
21 23 Vitantonio Liuzzi HRT Cosworth 290.9 15.5
22 22 Daniel Ricciardo HRT Cosworth 288 18.4
23 21 Karun Chandhok Lotus Renault 287.7 18.7
24 18 Sebastien Buemi Toro Rosso Ferrari 203.6 102.8

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26 comments on Alonso says Ferrari’s pace confirms progress

  1. f1andy83 said on 22nd July 2011, 17:40

    Looking forward to an exciting race.

  2. Fixy (@fixy) said on 22nd July 2011, 17:43

    Alonso said Ferrari’s pace at Hockenheim was the result of progress made over several races

    Maybe Silverstone? Or even Nurburgring. Certainly not Hockenheim.

  3. Cacarella said on 22nd July 2011, 17:44

    I guess what everyone is missing is that it seems Williams is the team hit hardest by the ban (or non-ban) of the OTBD.

  4. Atticus said on 22nd July 2011, 17:54

    Strange things happen.

    Webber is quicker than Vettel and by the looks of the speed trap figures he’s on a completely different setup.

    Both Red Bulls are on the front end of the speed trap classification which is not the standard for the car with highest downforce level of the grid.

    • electrolite (@electrolite) said on 22nd July 2011, 18:04

      If anything this means they will be able to retain plenty of downforce even with setups favouring straight line speed. Fundamentally, the RB7 has tons of downforce so if you set the Ferrari up exactly the the same, the suspension, the wings, everything – you could bet your bottom dollar the Red Bull would still have the better grip.

  5. MVEilenstein (@mveilenstein) said on 22nd July 2011, 17:57

    3kph faster than the highest top speed seen here in 2009.

    I’m sure Charlie Whiting will find a way to prevent that in 2012.

  6. Todfod said on 22nd July 2011, 18:02

    There are some really worrying signs for Ricciardo. Its ok to be trailing Liuzzi, but when Karthikeyan is 6 tenths quicker than you, then the future doesn’t seem too bright.

    I’m really looking forward to quali tomorrow. I’m expecting the toughest fight for pole we have had thus far.

  7. DaveW said on 22nd July 2011, 18:31

    Alonso better get F1Fanatic up on his iPhone. It looks here like, despite being quick early in the stint, it looks like RBR is just going to run away in the end. Webber looks very steady for the whole stint.

  8. stato77 said on 22nd July 2011, 18:32

    As much as it pains me to say it, I think it is soon going to be time for McLaren to start thinking about next season.

    The only hope they have for this season is that Alonso can set the cat amongst the Pigeons and hope that Vettel makes some silly mistakes under pressure.

    Ferrari have made a massive leap forward and Red Bull look like they are making steady incremental gains.

    Mercedes update for Silverstone looks like it has nearly leapfrogged McLaren in terms of 1 lap pace.

    Time for a technical shake up methinks!

    • infy (@infy) said on 22nd July 2011, 19:44

      Thats the difference between Ferrari fans and the rest. We dont burn down the village very time our team falls behind a bit.

      I think you also need to consider which tracks suit the drivers and teams. The teams were quick on the same tracks as last year. The ups and downs are pretty consistent.

      Alonso for instance is normally very quick in the second half of the season because those are the tracks he enjoys. Massa on the other hand is always pretty good on the first few circuits in the year, but struggles from the half way point and on. Mark probably has a trend too, but I’m not bothered to look it up.

  9. Fer no.65 said on 22nd July 2011, 19:19

    3rd year in a row they have been playing the “catching up” game and have succeded.Regardless of their pace come sunday’s race, it’s impressive how quickly they improved.

    I was paying so much attention to Red Bull and Mclaren and bang! there goes Ferrari and starts setting the pace on sundays.

  10. I was reading what Fernando have said at James Allen’s blog and is clear that, between lines, he was digging into Aldo Costa:

    “We had brought a lot of new parts, some of which worked and others that did not.

    “Then in the last four or five races, every new part we brought has worked fine, which is definitely good news, not just for this year but for future development for next year.

    I am very, very confident in the car, the engine and all our designers are very motivated now, knowing that everything they did, working day and night is producing good results on Sunday.”

    Certainly there was some internal frictions and it looks like Fernando was a strong voice asking for change and I don’t think that with out him, Ferrari could have hired Pat Fry.

    It is clear that Fry is behind F150 sudden improvement.

    What we are looking this season is Fernando doing a Schumacher and turning Ferrari into a winning team again.

    What a great drive

    • What a great DRIVER!

    • UKfanatic (@) said on 23rd July 2011, 1:09

      sorry to disagree, we simply cant know how much imput does a man have, we like to believe that there are some engineers that are miraculous but that is probably not 100% true, for some reason an F1 team has thousands of employees. I like him he must be a very good enginneer that isnt in question and he must have a bigger role that he did in mclaren, but we dont know anything basicly. However we can speculate and on this matter i believe you are right Ferrari has been showing an increase pace since his takeover, and I hope it stays that way and that Fry finds what he wants and be as succesfull as possible, there are alot of british enginners working for Ferrari, we just cant feel betrayed we should feel proud; and I dont know if you all know but Ferraris chassis has been developed in britain since the early 90′s (by memory, maybe even before) Im sure he doenst feel alone and maybe even more motivated than in woking, at least he features every week on Ferrari special news videos.

  11. Hey guys don’t know if anybody noticed yet but:

    Alonso said Ferrari’s pace at Hockenheim was the result of progress made over several races: “I’ve said it before, it’s not a case of a miracle having happened at Silverstone, because of the regulations relating to the exhausts. That result was down to the many improvements introduced race after race, as could be seen from the fact that, even from Monaco, we had returned to a good level in terms of being competitive and here too, where we are back to the Valencia rules, we are at the front end of the field.”

    Shouldnt that be nurburgring? Insteaf of hockenheim

  12. dfketr said on 22nd July 2011, 21:19

    maybe mclaren are sandbagging a little bit?? the speed trap times for their cars are not where they usually line up in the speed trap pecking order. maybe more fuel today?

  13. juan fanger (@juan-fanger) said on 23rd July 2011, 1:24

    Both Alonso and Vettel showed similarly consistent tyre performance over their longest stints, each of eight laps.

    From your graphs Webber was faster than both during his thirteen lap stint, and was still lapping faster than either had managed in their stints even after ten laps.
    Would be nice if WEB can maintain that for qualifying & race and let ALO and VET squabble for the crumbs :)

  14. Alonso’s 1s deficit to Webber in FP2 graph is scary !

  15. Sam3110 said on 23rd July 2011, 8:36

    I’m not sure if it is just me, but the colours for the end of the grid seem wrong, Ricciardo is purple like Buemi, D’ambrosio is the same green as Di Resta, and both Glock and Liuzzi are dark grey?

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