2012 Italian Grand Prix grid
2012 Italian Grand Prix
| Row 1 | 1. Lewis Hamilton 1’24.01 McLaren |
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| 2. Jenson Button 1’24.133 McLaren |
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| Row 2 | 3. Felipe Massa 1’24.247 Ferrari |
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| 4. Michael Schumacher 1’24.54 Mercedes |
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| Row 3 | 5. Sebastian Vettel 1’24.802 Red Bull |
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| 6. Nico Rosberg 1’24.833 Mercedes |
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| Row 4 | 7. Kimi Raikkonen 1’24.855 Lotus |
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| 8. Kamui Kobayashi 1’25.109 Sauber |
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| Row 5 | 9. Paul di Resta* 1’24.304 Force India |
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| 10. Fernando Alonso 1’25.678 Ferrari |
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| Row 6 | 11. Mark Webber 1’24.809 Red Bull |
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| 12. Sergio Perez 1’24.901 Sauber |
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| Row 7 | 13. Bruno Senna 1’25.042 Williams |
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| 14. Daniel Ricciardo 1’25.312 Toro Rosso |
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| Row 8 | 15. Jerome D’Ambrosio 1’25.408 Lotus |
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| 16. Jean-Eric Vergne 1’25.441 Toro Rosso |
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| Row 9 | 17. Heikki Kovalainen 1’26.382 Caterham |
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| 18. Vitaly Petrov 1’26.887 Caterham |
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| Row 10 | 19. Timo Glock 1’27.039 Marussia |
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| 20. Charles Pic 1’27.073 Marussia |
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| Row 11 | 21. Narain Karthikeyan 1’27.441 HRT |
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| 22. Pastor Maldonado** 1’24.82 Williams |
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| Row 12 | 23. Pedro de la Rosa 1’27.629 HRT |
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| 24. Nico Hulkenberg*** No time Force India |
*Five-place penalty due to gearbox change
**Two five-place penalties due to infringements during the Belgian Grand Prix
***Failed to beat 107% time, granted dispensation from the stewards to start
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Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08
Way to ruin a weekend by Ferrari. At home, really?
If I was a Ferrari fan, I’d be furious ! This really wasn’t the day to start helping MASSA !
Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:10
I think the plan was for Alonso to slipstream Massa on his first Q3 run, and then Massa repays the favour but it went belly up for some reason.
Klaas (@klaas) said on 8th September 2012, 14:12
Exactly, only they had to think of Alonso first then take care of Massa. Or maybe Massa forgot to repay the favor.
Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:15
Maybe Massa is dishing out some sweet revenge on Alonso…
necrodethmortem (@necrodethmortem) said on 8th September 2012, 14:13
Glad it did, because it was a stupid idea.
Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14
According to Ferrari on Twitter there was a possible failure of Alonso’s rear anti-roll bar. Either way all of a sudden Fernando can’t catch a break!
BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th September 2012, 14:22
Seems Horner might have been right about that a couple of races back then …
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th September 2012, 14:15
@tmcs88 I know. But they were good for pole anyway. Did they really need to risk it like that? It could’ve ended very wrong… and it did. Even if they are now saying they had a rear Antirolll bar failure
Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:17
You’re right, there was no need to take the risk, I guess they were trying to be too smart for their own good.
BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th September 2012, 14:23
I understood from the interview with Dominicaly that the part broke in his FIRST run in Q3, so the second time he went out only to see what the car could do and help Massa anyway.
Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th September 2012, 14:56
@bascb yeah, just seen that.
John H (@john-h) said on 8th September 2012, 16:19
I simply don’t believe they would send out a crocked car for a second run.
I get the impression that Massa was meant to repay the favour in the second run, didn’t do so, and the Ferrari PR machine came alive.
I’m probably wrong though, I just can’t see why they would run Alonso in a faulty car and risk more damage?
Estesark (@estesark) said on 8th September 2012, 18:19
Was I the only one who saw Alonso’s mistake on his flying lap at the end of the session? I’m sure the plan was for Massa to give him a tow, repaying the favour. But Alonso messed up a corner and was then not close enough to benefit.
bananarama (@bananarama) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08
Either Ferrari messed up in an unbelieveable fashion (just going out 15 seconds earlier would have helped to have a chance for another lap) or Alonsos car is broken in some way. Way to throw a championship out the window, but the car was fast so I’m hopeful for a good sunday.
Eggry (@eggry) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08
Oh no… I expected classic Mclaren-Ferrari fight but instead I got disaster of Alonso. What the hell happened? He was terribly slower in Q3 while fastest in Q1 and Q2. Anyway great day for Mclaren, bad for Alonso. Championship becomes more chaotic now.
Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 17:08
I still wonder why Alonso set a time at all, they knew something broke during the first lap which has been aborted. Then on the second attempt they should have seen than Alonso was not even close to 9th… As hard tyre could hold the entire race if needed according to Pirelli, this could have been a huge advantage to be able to chose their tyre tomorrow …
(Did anyone quali on hard during Q3 ?)
Klaas (@klaas) said on 8th September 2012, 14:09
So Ferrari are starting to lose Fernando the title already just like they did in 2010? Whatt da hell did they think when they got Massa clock the time first, they should get the Championship contender home-free first then the No2. Plain stupid from Ferrari pit wall.
xeroxpt (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14
It’s the curse, an Hamilton fan yesterday was preparing the curse, it started in Belgium and it’s working one less engine and gearbox and now a mistake, the curse may backfire, if you reading this reply Ham fan.
davidnotcoulthard said on 8th September 2012, 15:40
@ Klaas: No, not like 2010. In 2010, they lost after catching up the leaders, not after leading by >20 points in the old system (If only F1 was still using it..)!
Mike (@mike) said on 8th September 2012, 16:45
No, that’s not the case. And you would have known if you had of waited for information rather than running out and waving your arms about.
Secondly, Ferrari is a team, Alonso is a part of that team, they win and lose together. Any half hearted F1 fan should recognize that.
Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th September 2012, 17:06
@klaas
Given that Alonso’s failure happened at the beginning if Q3 it would have made no difference.
And complaining that Ferrari may lose the title for Alonso “like they did in 2010″ rather overlooks Alonso’s role in selecting the strategy that cost him so dearly in Abu Dhabi and his preoccupation with Webber during the race.
Ambik (@ambikm) said on 8th September 2012, 17:38
I absolutely agree with @keithcollantine. I mean cummon, I understand the typical tifosi sentiments but it was a reliability issue for Alonso and it was a fantastic lap by Felipe. Atleast we can cheer him on that,he is having a tough time around. Alonso was handling the reliability issue all week long so its a bit unfortunate to see him lying tenth but it has got nothing to do with towing around or Felipe taking the chance.
xeroxpt (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:09
I got everything right, the Mclaren lock-ou, but i was wrong about the Ferraris, Alonso loss the chance to make pole, i didnt factor that in, i thought the pole time was going to be 01:23.8 not 01:24, and Massa wow!
IsaacTham (@isaactham) said on 8th September 2012, 14:22
Ooh i predicted Hamilton pole on 1:24.000, just 0.010 away! :)
Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11
This grid really does wonders for the World Championship. A Hamilton Button 1-2 looks highly likely tomorrow, but will Alonso be able to get ahead of Vettel, and will Felipe finally get back on the podium?
I’m disappointed Alonso had a problem on his final lap as I think he had a shot at the front row. Also disappointing is the lack of pace shown by Mercedes. Really thought they could mix it with the Ferraris and McLarens today.
Mike (@mike) said on 8th September 2012, 16:46
Alonso should be great to watch tomorrow!
It’s sad for him, but great for the viewers :D
Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 8th September 2012, 18:26
That’s very true! Gonna be great to see some good fights throughout the field, Alonso may even repay Vettel for the brilliant overtake he pulled on Alonso last year!
necrodethmortem (@necrodethmortem) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11
How did Red Bull lose 2.5 seconds compared to last year? Harder tyres +0.5s, loss of OBD +1s, where did the other second come from?
Antonio Nartea (@tony031r) said on 8th September 2012, 17:28
Not getting into that exact small margin of performance, where the tires, the aero package, the engine and the drivers all work at their best. That specific segment of performance was much wider last year, thus easier to understand. Also, at least Vettel was much more confident in last year’s car than he is in this year’s. Just a thought. :)
skd said on 8th September 2012, 21:35
That illegal diffuser, and engine mapping to kill the torque at low speeds might have something to do with it.
Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 9th September 2012, 0:11
How tired I am of the misinformed fool that feels it necessary to attack a rival team. Red Bull have never raced an illegal car. The diffuser was completely legal when it was raced and as such they incurred no penalty, no matter how many complaints to the stewards. Illegal cars were the Saubers during the first race in Australia etc.
This is Formula 1, not football. Accusations will get you nowhere without any evidence. If the car were to race now in that configuration, sure it would be illegal. But so would be the case if they had raced the FW14, otherwise every team would have had TC, ABS, active suspension etc. All I ask is you think before you speak.
Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11
That was just right down silly by Alonso and Massa. Don’t know what happened but could it be that Massa didn’t fulfill his end of the agreement? Either way, slip streaming each other is a wrong way to get on pole. But Alonso didn’t need help and threw away his chance.
ScuderiaVincero (@scuderiavincero) said on 8th September 2012, 14:12
I thought it was good tactics there at the beginning of Q3 by the Scuderia, but they should have had Alonso do a fast lap as soon as possible afterward. But I speak in hindsight.
All Alonso can do now is sort out his strategy, and get his gearbox ahead of Vettel.
Klaas (@klaas) said on 8th September 2012, 14:15
And hope to make it through the first corner in one piece because he has Maldonado behind him.
BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th September 2012, 14:24
Maldonado is 12 places behind him though
Mads (@mads) said on 8th September 2012, 14:45
@bascb
That certainly didn’t stop Liuzzi last year!
BasCB (@bascb) said on 8th September 2012, 14:49
Maldonado outdoing Liuzzi tomorrow, hm what an achievement if he would manage to do that!
Klaas (@klaas) said on 8th September 2012, 14:52
Oh, yeah, totally about the penalty, my bad. At least some good news for Alonso.
ScuderiaVincero (@scuderiavincero) said on 8th September 2012, 14:24
Thankfully, a long way behind him. Sadly for me, he’s likely to take out both Caterhams now :’(
Chaplinez (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:45
Maldonado starts 22nd
Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:12
The question is will Ferrari support Massa tomorrow, seeing as he is their best chance for a podium.
Mike (@mike) said on 8th September 2012, 16:48
@tmcs88
It excites me that Massa has a chance to shine. I really hope it goes well.
Having said that, of the two Ferrari guys I’d still bet on Alonso making the podium.
Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 17:02
@tmcs88 If they have to pit at the same time, Alonso will be favor for sure, except if Massa is fighting and close to a win (which I don’t see happening)
Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 17:24
@mike & @jeanrien
I hope Massa pulls out all the stops and adopts a hell for leather approach tomorrow. He should completely forget about Alonso and race his own race (unless Alonso’s is faster than him). Fortunately for him the cars behind don’t appear to have great pace, although vettel does have a knack for coming through the field whenever he has a bad qualifying session, in fact vettel is my tip for 3rd.
Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 18:17
@tmcs88 I hope for Massa he will do well but I fear he will have a lot of pressure. He is in a position where he could help Alonso in the champ and he has to avoid loosing Alonso any points and that’s what it is about for Massa unfortunatly …
Would be great for the guy to finish on the podium but so many contender starting just behind him
bag0 (@bag0) said on 8th September 2012, 19:34
Yes, like 2010 Hockenheim
Mayank jain (@mjf1fan) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14
Facepalm moment for alonso…. trying to play oversmart and being overconfident that he will get pole….. too happy for massa…. :))
tommorow macca are going to win race followed by vettel…..
Jake (@jleigh) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14
I have to say, as happy as I am that Lewis got pole, and the other positions are great for the championship, I’m very disapointed we didn’t get to see what was shaping up to be a furious battle for pole between Hamilton and Alonso
Toxic (@toxic) said on 8th September 2012, 14:19
I actually think that even without the help from Masa Alonso could easily get the Pole. Looking at the Q1 and Q2 times he should do better than Lewis’s time. Looking at Pole lap it wasn’t really that perfect.
Todfod (@todfod) said on 8th September 2012, 14:49
It wasn’t perfect due to the rear anti roll bar failure… which is a real tragedy. Alonso was on track to increase his WDC tally in Spa and Monza up until he had a bad run of bad luck
Anyways I think he still has a shot to finish in P3 tomorrow if he pulls some of the magic we’ve seen all season
AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 8th September 2012, 14:44
.6s between Massa and Vettel is just plain weird. Things were much closer in practice. I think D’Ambrosio did a good job, a little hesistant at times but he knows he won’t be expected to push an unreasonable amount and for a driver in his position (without a drive) it’s a respectable result. I wonder what the race will bring though.
Well done to Karthikeyan, wasn’t De La Rosa running the skinnier wing or has that changed?
Bit of a nightmare for Alonso but I don’t think he has much to worry about. Vettel finished 2nd last week when starting 10th. He will be fine.
Max Jacobson (@vettel1) said on 8th September 2012, 14:49
@andrewtanner – Alonso’s championship lead is surely going to get eaten into, and Red Bull’s constructors lead too.
Second your comment about Karthikeyan, finally he’s making progress!
LexBlair (@lexblair) said on 8th September 2012, 14:57
Okay just to spell it our for some ppl…. The fact that Alonso starts from P10 has NOTHING to do with Massa, he aided him on their FIRST timed lap of their FIRST run…. If you are even somewhat familiar with this track youll know, that the first lap of a run is not the ideal/fastest one but rather the 2nd or the 3rd.. The error occured on his 2nd timed lap, FAR away from Massa… Chances were, that he was not going to set the fastest time on his first lap anyway, so why not help Massa… HOWEVER in the end, this act did not matter, because Massa improved the time, set by him while slipstreaming Alonso, on his final run without his teammate’s help….
Tete said on 8th September 2012, 15:17
No in his first flying lap when he was ahead of massa something broke. Then he went to por and even posted a decet time with such part broken.