2012 Italian Grand Prix grid

2012 Italian Grand Prix

Row 1 1. Lewis Hamilton 1’24.01
McLaren
2. Jenson Button 1’24.133
McLaren
Row 2 3. Felipe Massa 1’24.247
Ferrari
4. Michael Schumacher 1’24.54
Mercedes
Row 3 5. Sebastian Vettel 1’24.802
Red Bull
6. Nico Rosberg 1’24.833
Mercedes
Row 4 7. Kimi Raikkonen 1’24.855
Lotus
8. Kamui Kobayashi 1’25.109
Sauber
Row 5 9. Paul di Resta* 1’24.304
Force India
10. Fernando Alonso 1’25.678
Ferrari
Row 6 11. Mark Webber 1’24.809
Red Bull
12. Sergio Perez 1’24.901
Sauber
Row 7 13. Bruno Senna 1’25.042
Williams
14. Daniel Ricciardo 1’25.312
Toro Rosso
Row 8 15. Jerome D’Ambrosio 1’25.408
Lotus
16. Jean-Eric Vergne 1’25.441
Toro Rosso
Row 9 17. Heikki Kovalainen 1’26.382
Caterham
18. Vitaly Petrov 1’26.887
Caterham
Row 10 19. Timo Glock 1’27.039
Marussia
20. Charles Pic 1’27.073
Marussia
Row 11 21. Narain Karthikeyan 1’27.441
HRT
22. Pastor Maldonado** 1’24.82
Williams
Row 12 23. Pedro de la Rosa 1’27.629
HRT
24. Nico Hulkenberg*** No time
Force India

*Five-place penalty due to gearbox change
**Two five-place penalties due to infringements during the Belgian Grand Prix
***Failed to beat 107% time, granted dispensation from the stewards to start

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  1. Fer no.65 (@fer-no65) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08

    Way to ruin a weekend by Ferrari. At home, really?

    If I was a Ferrari fan, I’d be furious ! This really wasn’t the day to start helping MASSA !

  2. bananarama (@bananarama) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08

    Either Ferrari messed up in an unbelieveable fashion (just going out 15 seconds earlier would have helped to have a chance for another lap) or Alonsos car is broken in some way. Way to throw a championship out the window, but the car was fast so I’m hopeful for a good sunday.

  3. Eggry (@eggry) said on 8th September 2012, 14:08

    Oh no… I expected classic Mclaren-Ferrari fight but instead I got disaster of Alonso. What the hell happened? He was terribly slower in Q3 while fastest in Q1 and Q2. Anyway great day for Mclaren, bad for Alonso. Championship becomes more chaotic now.

    • Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 17:08

      I still wonder why Alonso set a time at all, they knew something broke during the first lap which has been aborted. Then on the second attempt they should have seen than Alonso was not even close to 9th… As hard tyre could hold the entire race if needed according to Pirelli, this could have been a huge advantage to be able to chose their tyre tomorrow …
      (Did anyone quali on hard during Q3 ?)

  4. Klaas (@klaas) said on 8th September 2012, 14:09

    So Ferrari are starting to lose Fernando the title already just like they did in 2010? Whatt da hell did they think when they got Massa clock the time first, they should get the Championship contender home-free first then the No2. Plain stupid from Ferrari pit wall.

    • xeroxpt (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14

      It’s the curse, an Hamilton fan yesterday was preparing the curse, it started in Belgium and it’s working one less engine and gearbox and now a mistake, the curse may backfire, if you reading this reply Ham fan.

    • davidnotcoulthard said on 8th September 2012, 15:40

      @ Klaas: No, not like 2010. In 2010, they lost after catching up the leaders, not after leading by >20 points in the old system (If only F1 was still using it..)!

    • No, that’s not the case. And you would have known if you had of waited for information rather than running out and waving your arms about.

      Secondly, Ferrari is a team, Alonso is a part of that team, they win and lose together. Any half hearted F1 fan should recognize that.

    • Keith Collantine (@keithcollantine) said on 8th September 2012, 17:06

      @klaas

      Whatt da hell did they think when they got Massa clock the time first, they should get the Championship contender home-free first then the No2.

      Given that Alonso’s failure happened at the beginning if Q3 it would have made no difference.

      And complaining that Ferrari may lose the title for Alonso “like they did in 2010″ rather overlooks Alonso’s role in selecting the strategy that cost him so dearly in Abu Dhabi and his preoccupation with Webber during the race.

      • Ambik (@ambikm) said on 8th September 2012, 17:38

        I absolutely agree with @keithcollantine. I mean cummon, I understand the typical tifosi sentiments but it was a reliability issue for Alonso and it was a fantastic lap by Felipe. Atleast we can cheer him on that,he is having a tough time around. Alonso was handling the reliability issue all week long so its a bit unfortunate to see him lying tenth but it has got nothing to do with towing around or Felipe taking the chance.

  5. xeroxpt (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:09

    I got everything right, the Mclaren lock-ou, but i was wrong about the Ferraris, Alonso loss the chance to make pole, i didnt factor that in, i thought the pole time was going to be 01:23.8 not 01:24, and Massa wow!

  6. Colossal Squid (@colossal-squid) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11

    This grid really does wonders for the World Championship. A Hamilton Button 1-2 looks highly likely tomorrow, but will Alonso be able to get ahead of Vettel, and will Felipe finally get back on the podium?

    I’m disappointed Alonso had a problem on his final lap as I think he had a shot at the front row. Also disappointing is the lack of pace shown by Mercedes. Really thought they could mix it with the Ferraris and McLarens today.

  7. necrodethmortem (@necrodethmortem) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11

    How did Red Bull lose 2.5 seconds compared to last year? Harder tyres +0.5s, loss of OBD +1s, where did the other second come from?

    • Not getting into that exact small margin of performance, where the tires, the aero package, the engine and the drivers all work at their best. That specific segment of performance was much wider last year, thus easier to understand. Also, at least Vettel was much more confident in last year’s car than he is in this year’s. Just a thought. :)

    • That illegal diffuser, and engine mapping to kill the torque at low speeds might have something to do with it.

      • That illegal diffuser

        How tired I am of the misinformed fool that feels it necessary to attack a rival team. Red Bull have never raced an illegal car. The diffuser was completely legal when it was raced and as such they incurred no penalty, no matter how many complaints to the stewards. Illegal cars were the Saubers during the first race in Australia etc.
        This is Formula 1, not football. Accusations will get you nowhere without any evidence. If the car were to race now in that configuration, sure it would be illegal. But so would be the case if they had raced the FW14, otherwise every team would have had TC, ABS, active suspension etc. All I ask is you think before you speak.

  8. Maksutov (@maksutov) said on 8th September 2012, 14:11

    That was just right down silly by Alonso and Massa. Don’t know what happened but could it be that Massa didn’t fulfill his end of the agreement? Either way, slip streaming each other is a wrong way to get on pole. But Alonso didn’t need help and threw away his chance.

  9. ScuderiaVincero (@scuderiavincero) said on 8th September 2012, 14:12

    I thought it was good tactics there at the beginning of Q3 by the Scuderia, but they should have had Alonso do a fast lap as soon as possible afterward. But I speak in hindsight.

    All Alonso can do now is sort out his strategy, and get his gearbox ahead of Vettel.

  10. Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 14:12

    The question is will Ferrari support Massa tomorrow, seeing as he is their best chance for a podium.

    • @tmcs88

      It excites me that Massa has a chance to shine. I really hope it goes well.

      Having said that, of the two Ferrari guys I’d still bet on Alonso making the podium.

    • Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 17:02

      @tmcs88 If they have to pit at the same time, Alonso will be favor for sure, except if Massa is fighting and close to a win (which I don’t see happening)

    • Traverse Mark Senior (@) said on 8th September 2012, 17:24

      @mike & @jeanrien
      I hope Massa pulls out all the stops and adopts a hell for leather approach tomorrow. He should completely forget about Alonso and race his own race (unless Alonso’s is faster than him). Fortunately for him the cars behind don’t appear to have great pace, although vettel does have a knack for coming through the field whenever he has a bad qualifying session, in fact vettel is my tip for 3rd.

      • Jeanrien (@jeanrien) said on 8th September 2012, 18:17

        @tmcs88 I hope for Massa he will do well but I fear he will have a lot of pressure. He is in a position where he could help Alonso in the champ and he has to avoid loosing Alonso any points and that’s what it is about for Massa unfortunatly …
        Would be great for the guy to finish on the podium but so many contender starting just behind him

      • (unless Alonso‚Äôs is faster than him)

        Yes, like 2010 Hockenheim

  11. Facepalm moment for alonso…. trying to play oversmart and being overconfident that he will get pole….. too happy for massa…. :))

    tommorow macca are going to win race followed by vettel…..

  12. Jake (@jleigh) said on 8th September 2012, 14:14

    I have to say, as happy as I am that Lewis got pole, and the other positions are great for the championship, I’m very disapointed we didn’t get to see what was shaping up to be a furious battle for pole between Hamilton and Alonso

  13. Toxic (@toxic) said on 8th September 2012, 14:19

    I actually think that even without the help from Masa Alonso could easily get the Pole. Looking at the Q1 and Q2 times he should do better than Lewis’s time. Looking at Pole lap it wasn’t really that perfect.

    • Todfod (@todfod) said on 8th September 2012, 14:49

      It wasn’t perfect due to the rear anti roll bar failure… which is a real tragedy. Alonso was on track to increase his WDC tally in Spa and Monza up until he had a bad run of bad luck

      Anyways I think he still has a shot to finish in P3 tomorrow if he pulls some of the magic we’ve seen all season

  14. AndrewTanner (@andrewtanner) said on 8th September 2012, 14:44

    .6s between Massa and Vettel is just plain weird. Things were much closer in practice. I think D’Ambrosio did a good job, a little hesistant at times but he knows he won’t be expected to push an unreasonable amount and for a driver in his position (without a drive) it’s a respectable result. I wonder what the race will bring though.

    Well done to Karthikeyan, wasn’t De La Rosa running the skinnier wing or has that changed?

    Bit of a nightmare for Alonso but I don’t think he has much to worry about. Vettel finished 2nd last week when starting 10th. He will be fine.

  15. LexBlair (@lexblair) said on 8th September 2012, 14:57

    Okay just to spell it our for some ppl…. The fact that Alonso starts from P10 has NOTHING to do with Massa, he aided him on their FIRST timed lap of their FIRST run…. If you are even somewhat familiar with this track youll know, that the first lap of a run is not the ideal/fastest one but rather the 2nd or the 3rd.. The error occured on his 2nd timed lap, FAR away from Massa… Chances were, that he was not going to set the fastest time on his first lap anyway, so why not help Massa… HOWEVER in the end, this act did not matter, because Massa improved the time, set by him while slipstreaming Alonso, on his final run without his teammate’s help….

    • No in his first flying lap when he was ahead of massa something broke. Then he went to por and even posted a decet time with such part broken.

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