Michael Schumacher vs Fernando Alonso

Champion of Champions

Champion of Champions: Michael Schumacher vs Fernando Alonso

“The most dangerous champion for me is always Michael”, said Fernando Alonso last week.

But does Alonso have the measure of the man he beat to the 2006 world championship?

Alonso has acted as Schumacher’s successor more than once in his career. He took the Renault team (previously Benetton) back to championship glory ten years after Schumacher won his last title for them.

Today he is in a similar role at Ferrari, picking up where Kimi R??ikk??nen left off as Schumacher’s successor.

The statistics make it clear how much work Alonso has to do to emulate Schumacher’s success at Ferrari. He doesn’t have the ‘dream team’ of Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Paolo Martinelli behind him – but time is on his side.

Schumacher, meanwhile, had a troubled comeback season with Mercedes after three years out of the cockpit.

Both these drivers are still racing and adding to their records. But which should go through to the next round of the Champion of Champions?

Vote for which you think was best below and explain who you voted for and why in the comments.

Michael Schumacher Fernando Alonso
Michael Schumacher, Mercedes, Istanbul, 2010 Fernando Alonso, Interlagos, Renault, 2004
Titles 1994, 1995, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004 2005, 2006
Second in title year/s Damon Hill, Damon Hill, Mika Hakkinen, David Coulthard, Rubens Barrichello, Kimi R??ikk??nen, Rubens Barrichello Kimi R??ikk??nen, Michael Schumacher
Teams Jordan, Benetton, Ferrari, Mercedes Minardi, Renault, McLaren, Ferrari
Notable team mates Nelson Piquet, Eddie Irvine, Rubens Barrichello Giancarlo Fisichella, Lewis Hamilton, Felipe Massa
Starts 268 158
Wins 91 (33.96%) 26 (16.46%)
Poles 68 (25.37%) 20 (12.66%)
Modern points per start1 14.05 10.58
% car failures2 8.21 10.76
Modern points per finish3 15.30 11.86
Notes Missed several races in 1999 after breaking his leg at Silverstone Debuted for Minardi in 2001 then spent a year testing for Renault before making race return
Retired in 2006 after 11 seasons with Ferrari Back-to-back titles for Renault in 2005 and 2006
Returned with Mercedes in 2010 Formerly the youngest ever world champion
Bio Michael Schumacher Fernando Alonso

1 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of races they started
2 The percentage of races in which they were not classified due to a mechanical failure
3 How many points they scored in their career, adjusted to the 2010 points system, divided by the number of starts in which they did not suffer a race-ending mechanical failure

Round one

Which was the better world champion driver?

  • Michael Schumacher (77%)
  • Fernando Alonso (23%)

Total Voters: 777

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198 comments on Michael Schumacher vs Fernando Alonso

  1. Eggry (@eggry) said on 17th January 2011, 15:33

    I really love Alonso, but…he needs 1 more title to get my vote. so I went to Schumi.

  2. Kenny (@kenny) said on 17th January 2011, 15:54

    I can’t rate Schumacher because of the cheating. Fred gets my vote.

    • “Fred’s” an angel isn’t he. ;)

      • Kenny (@kenny) said on 18th January 2011, 4:54

        Compared to Schumacher? Yes, he is.

        • David A said on 18th January 2011, 11:05

          No he isn’t. Schumacher has never illegally obtained posession of documents relating to a rival’s car. Schumacher has never blackmailed his team or boss. Schumacher has never had a teammate deliberately crash for him to win. Schumacher never got on the radio to whine and whinge to his team about his teammate simply defending his position.

          • Kenny (@kenny) said on 18th January 2011, 17:23

            Fred has never had a team mate deliberately crash for him to win either…he knew nothing about it (unless you have some evidence that no one else has seen?). Nor has Fred ever illegally obtained documents relating to a rival’s car. The closest he got to them was hearing about them from de la Rosa. Finally, whining and whinging is not cheating. More to the point, Fred has never deliberately placed a fellow driver in danger, which Schumacher has done three times, four if you count the Barrichello incident.

            No, I think Schumacher has a lock on the cheating championship.

          • David A said on 18th January 2011, 18:54

            Fred has never had a team mate deliberately crash for him to win either…he knew nothing about it

            Possibly, but his record before and after will equal the doubts to always linger and haunt him. Especially when his strategy for that race wouldn’t have otherwise made sense.

            Nor has Fred ever illegally obtained documents relating to a rival’s car. The closest he got to them was hearing about them from de la Rosa.

            What he took part in, in one of the biggest scandals ever to hit the sport definitely classifies as cheating. Stop denying it right here and now. It’s just an unfortuante stain on a good driver like Alonso’s image.

            Finally, whining and whinging is not cheating.

            In this case, whingeing and whining was cheating, as it instigated team orders which was against the rules. Remember that he urged the team to move Massa out of the way. He also turned his engine back up (against the advice given to both drivers) to appear faster than his teammate when he wasn’t.

            Overall, claiming that you pick Alonso over Schumacher because of the German’s cheating (and not for a proper reason, like Alonso’s 2006 title victory) is hypocritical and nonsensical.

          • Kenny (@kenny) said on 19th January 2011, 3:16

            I’m reading a lot of accusations but nothing to back them up, and I see no mention of Schumacher’s demolition derby tactics in your comments. That’s hypocritical and nonsensical.

          • David A said on 19th January 2011, 12:38

            What I am telling you about Alonso’s character is true, and you would know if you paid attention to the events in 2007 and 2010. I admitted that there’s not any clear evidence over crash-gate, but said that Alonso’s image would still leave doubt in most fan’s mind.

            I don’t remember saying that Schumacher has never done dodgy things in his career. But it’s you who seems to think that “destruction derby tactics” are the only form of cheating, and that’s simply not true.

        • Kenny (@kenny) said on 20th January 2011, 4:43

          David, I have no love for Alonso- he is, as you say, a whiner and whinger, and certainly not above stretching the rules as far as he can. It’s unfortunate that he is such a good driver…makes it harder to trash him.

          And, I believe Schumacher is (was?) a better driver than Alonso. But any high jinks that Alonso may have got up to pale before Schumacher’s behavior, which has been outright dangerous at times. It’s not the only kind of cheating, but it’s the worst kind. Someone capable of that type of behavior just doesn’t rate in my book.

    • David-A (@david-a) said on 17th January 2011, 18:47

      That was as funny as South Park is.

  3. Bigbadderboom (@bigbadderboom) said on 17th January 2011, 15:59

    Both great, but greatness has different measures, and with such a statistical gulf between them I choose Michael, simply because he has the WDC’s in the bank. Ask me about potential and it may be closer but Alonso has far more to deal with in terms of competition and realistically I don’t think he will achieve to Schumachers level. However it’s notable that I never really liked either as personalities but each year respect both more for their talent.

  4. olivier (@olivier) said on 17th January 2011, 16:01

    I’m not a big fan of either of them. It’s true Alonso beat Schumacher in 2006 fair and straight, but Schumacher statistics are downright amazing. And elevated Ferrari to level never seen before, so he gets my vote.

  5. SilverArrowStefBill (@silverarrowstefbill) said on 17th January 2011, 16:24

    I vote for Skatas!

  6. mrgrieves (@mrgrieves) said on 17th January 2011, 16:29

    The two drivers i rate the highest in the last 15 years. Schumacher Wins it for me though. Alonso has the chance to beat him eventually but for now Schumi’s the king.

  7. Damon said on 17th January 2011, 17:20

    What’s the matter damon? Don’t you agree with my posts damon? Lol

  8. GreyoTG (@greyotg) said on 17th January 2011, 17:34

    The two people I reaaaaaalllly don’t like in F1, If it was an opinion poll I’d be torn between the two for their sheer arrogance.

    But its not an opinion poll and I’m extremely torn between the two because both are immense in each others way. Where-as Alonso has raw pace and a monster speed, Schumi has efficiency and detail to his name (Along with monster pace) You can only split these drivers into two categories:

    Overall Speed: Alonso
    Championship driver: Schumacher

    Unfortunantly for Alonso passion sometimes overcomes his talent as seen in ’07 and last year. So its Schumacher… JUST.

  9. The Limit said on 17th January 2011, 17:42

    Schumacher gets my vote simply for bringing Ferrari back from the dead in 1996. Sure he didn’t do it by himself, but by bringing in Ross Brawn, Rory Bryne, and Jean Todt he helped shape a team that would dominate the sport from 2000/2004 so completely. To look at one statistic, except for 1999, from 1997 to 2006 Schumacher was a threat in every single championship. To win, you had to beat the German and it was as simple as that.
    To a certain extent, Alonso’s double achievement with Renault is noteworthy, but nothing compares to the gamble Schumacher took. Michael was already a defending double world champion when he moved to Ferrari. Most drivers, even ones as good as Senna, would have gone to a front running team such as Williams. Michael chose not to, and it could have gone so horribly wrong for him. So, that alone gives this one to the German.
    Alonso for me is more traditional. Understandably he always wants and to a certain extent demands a fast car. I don’t think he would have taken such as big a gamble as Michael did fifteen years ago.

  10. 0634 (@0634) said on 17th January 2011, 18:16

    To be honest, I think Alonso can be just as great as Schumacher. But at the moment he is just not there yet. Simply because he is a lot younger and stil has some good years left in him.

    For now, I have to say Schumacher. One of the top 5 drivers ever, Alonso one of the top ten drivers ever.

  11. Impreza_600BHP said on 17th January 2011, 18:23

    cmon, 91 Race Wins, the amount of concentration, aggression and sheer will power that must have taken, regardless of having the best car its an almost super human acheivement, i can’t see anybody ever beating it, and to compare it against anything else is almost insulting to Shumacher, Alonso has a hell of long way to go before he get 91 Wins.

  12. Dan83 (@dan83) said on 17th January 2011, 20:09

    It’s kinda weird: Keith didn’t bother giving a spiel about Schumacher, unlike every other driver, which all received a write up about their history in the sport and their achievements etc. Only real mention was the comment from Alonso. Is this simply because it’s assumed everyone knows Schumacher so well?? Or that there’s no point, because he will clearly beat Alonso in this poll?

  13. verstappen (@verstappen) said on 17th January 2011, 20:14

    You can’t argue with 7 world championships.

    …Ok, some of us can, but that’s all about the ruthless wanting to win at al cost-attitude.

  14. Hi all,

    I only want to say that when Alonso won the 2005 and 2006 championship Sch was backed up with the ‘dream team’ of Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Paolo Martinelli and he was driving for Ferrari plus Sch at that time had much more experince all of this says a lot about Alonso talent, confident and bravery not to be intimidated by Sch. even to day with much less faste car than Red bull vettel cod not catch him if not for the team mistake.

  15. nano_rock (@nano_rock) said on 17th January 2011, 20:30

    I pick Alonso, he`s the only who beat the Kaiser

    • The Limit said on 17th January 2011, 20:50

      Mika Hakkinen (98,99) Villeneuve (97) and Hill (96) all beat Schumacher during his Ferrari career. Alonso did break a run of five titles Schumacher claimed (2000/2004), but he certainly was not the only driver to beat Schumacher. Other title winners over Michael’s career include Senna (91), Mansell (92) Prost (93) and ofcourse Vettel in 2010.

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